1/2 Jackpot hand

delanec8

Effective Stacks:

Me: €1400
Villain(BB): €850

We are 7 handed and i am dealt 66 UTG+1 and make it 7. Folded to BB who reraises to 21. This is the first time he has reraised me preflop and he hasn't done it very often at all in the 4/5 hours we have played together so far. He has been playing fairly solidly and would view me as pretty taggish. Anyway i call the extra 14.

(22)
Flop: 6d7hTc

He bets 10, i make it 60 and he calls.
(142)
Turn: Jc

He bets 30, i raise to 150 he reraises to 350. Action on me???

Comments appreciated on all streets.

shoutman

My only concern here would be that he hit his set on the turn, It would be unlucky if that was the case.... If he hasnt reraised you once preflop and decides hes doing it on his BB, for me this is AA/KK/QQ.

Dont know what he is doing betting thirty into a 142 pot on the turn..... silly imo, I maybe raise more on turn but marginal, I dont think you played the hand badly and I'd probably push and just be upset if he had TT/JJ cant see him having the straight.

phantom_lord

fold, he has jj.

shoutman

Actually it really does stink of JJ doesnt it, betting then flat calling a raise with overpair, then betting tiny when he hits top set then reraising....... yea probably a fold alright.

phantom_lord

i was actually joking lol! although I'm probably right...

he could have kqc(unlikely ) or jj (1010maybe) here, but he's also has qq-aa lots. so it's a clear call/ship.

Trippie

is anyone suspicious of the tenner bet on the flop even though there is a 50 quid pot and then again 30 when there is 150 in the pot. could he have flopped the straight?

delanec8

Trippie wrote:

is anyone suspicious of the tenner bet on the flop even though there is a 50 quid pot and then again 30 when there is 150 in the pot. could he have flopped the straight?

I ruled the straight out completely. There was no way he was reraising me oop preflop here with 89.

AKQJ10

who is the villain.

delanec8

AKQJ10 wrote:

who is the villain.

I'd never seen him before. Early 20s. He sat down with about 200 and was on the right end of a couple of coolers to get his stack to 850 IIRC. He seemed to be playing ok and i couldn't remember him playing a hand like this one with such ridiculous bet sizes.

Trippie

is he a blond guy with a chubby face or it was it paco or kenny?2 skinny looking guys who are half decent?

AKQJ10

id hate to think it was the scandi lad casper. if so ur ahead.

delanec8

AKQJ10 wrote:

id hate to think it was the scandi lad casper. if so ur ahead.

No it wasnt him. Tallish, skinny and black hair. It was friday night so could have been any random punter. If it was casper i would push with AJ and be happy with my decision:)

Anyway i pushed and he called with 77. I really think i have to fold to the reraise on the turn, but anyway glad to see its not as clear cut a decision as i thought it might have been for most.

Trippie

what day was this on aswell,was it sunday or saturday, i have a feeling its the guy with died blond streaks in his hair and a chubby face as he normally buys in for 200

Samba

It's either the worst played big pair in the world or he has flopped top set...

Can I ask how you were playing? Did you take down alot of pots uncontested have been been raising alot in position?

It is possible he decided to get funky with the 89 sooted to see how you would react.... that's if he is anyway decent but again, out of the big blind as mentioned it just does not add up.

Actually it really does stink of JJ doesnt it, betting then flat calling a raise with overpair, then betting tiny when he hits top set then reraising....... yea probably a fold alright.

Is my sarcometer broken?

I'll comment when i return from the repair shop on that statement.

If this is a case of set over set and you have no physical reads then so be it...the money goes in.

the one thing that bugs me is the flop bet it screams of a bet that wants to be raised which is going to make me stop and think but even so... this is not a clear cut fold


The only reason everyone is telling you to fold is because you posted the hand...and they know you lost just by posting

delanec8

Samba wrote:

It's either the worst played big pair in the world or he has flopped top set...

Can I ask how you were playing? Did you take down alot of pots uncontested have been been raising alot in position?

It is possible he decided to get funky with the 89 sooted to see how you would react.... that's if he is anyway decent but again, out of the big blind as mentioned it just does not add up.

I had been playing fairly TAG. If the action wasnt opened before me i was almost always raising if entering the pot. I had not been getting out of line much. He had no reason to believe i was bluffing the flop or turn by my previous play at the table.

At the time i felt his range was very small here (TT+,AQ+) because it was the only time he had reraised me preflop all night and he hadn't done it often at all at the table. I really think he has 89 almost never here.

The question for me at the time was whether he had AA,KK,QQ a good enough proportion of the time to make a push profitable. I decided then that he did but looking back now i don't think thats true. I think he has JJ,TT,77 too much that i should have folded to the turn reraise.

He had 77 btw which surprised me a little because i figured he would just call preflop with it.

LuckyLloyd

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Trippie

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Any comments? I presume you had bought into the game for 400 or so. At what point do you become happy with your profit from that game and walk?

i have debated this myself for some time. i dont know if it is just my style of play or just on a streak in that place but any time i play the jackpot on a friday or saturday i usually get on average between 100 and 200(there was once i was in for 600 but i cashed for 2400) up to well over the 1k mark.

i generally find that my stack increases in bursts ie the first group of drunks the second wave of drunks and when everyone starts sobering up bout 7/8 o'clock after the drunks are busted. usually there are only 2/3 tables left at this stage and now there are only half decent players but for some reason i cannot get up and leave. I do tend to play tighter from this point onwards to 11/12 o'clock and i notice only nominal changes in my stack size unless two hands run into each other.sometimes i make more or sometimes i can lose 500 in this period.

i understnd where you are coming from llyod but i think it is our greed in human nature that is keeping us there in the hope that we will keep on winning

phantom_lord

why leave a game when you've an edge, the deeper you are the greater your edge and expected profit should be.

delanec8

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Just throwing this out there - does anyone reckon that there is a level in terms of how deep your stack gets where walking away from a game becomes the best option available? In this hand you are sitting 700 BBs deep. This hand is a cooler - no doubt. But the villian is looking to get 425 BBs from you into the pot. That is surely a sick amount of blinds to stick in without the mortal nuts against a guy who has been playing very tight all night?

Any comments? I presume you had bought into the game for 400 or so. At what point do you become happy with your profit from that game and walk?

He hadn't been playing ultra tight but at the same time i take your point. As far as leaving happy with profit the game was pretty juicy and i don't like leaving games like that one until they break or i am too tired to play on.

In general live 1/2 in town plays a lot bigger than any online 1/2 game, and i would be interested how much bigger people think it plays?? I find 400 is a nice amount to buyin for in general. The avg stacks for the most part will be closer to a 2/4 game online and add to that the fact that 5/6 people usually see a flop and in that sense the size of the pot on the flop on avg may even be closer to that of a 3/6 game online. (don't quote me on that, i could be a fair bit off on that estimate).

LuckyLloyd

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Gholimoli

For the most part I don’t agree with your post but I do agree that with 400+ BB folding button set on a str board is very possible.
As for the game being PL or NL I don’t agree with you and I think the deeper the stacks the closer PL gets to NL.
In NL game you can manipulate the pot pre-flop to your liking, making post flop decisions much easier for your self and also neutralizing any post flop edge any one may have against you and generally reducing the game in to a pre-flop and flop play as oppose to a 5 street game. (sort of like NL tourneys if you like).
This is something you can’t really do in PL.



However the deeper the stacks get the more important the post flop play becomes and pre-flop play then looses its value as a lot of mistakes can be made pre-flop that are more than made up for by good post flop play. But that only happens in deep stacks.
Also post flop betting is usually in terms of the pot and even though in some situations we over bet pots but we don’t often do it.
Also the deeper the stacks then the lesser we over bet which again makes PL closer to NL.

ianmc38

If this guy is in anyway decent then he has a set here always and it's a clear fold. If he's an idiot that will get 400+ BBs in with an overpair fine but otherwise, I think this is one of those situations where folding a set is correct as there is no other hand the other guy could have.

phantom_lord

yep, I agree with ian.

The only time I remember getting it all-in live extremely deep was a set over set situation. he had bottom set.

jbravado

As a rule when the stacks are this deep it is an early morning game.Some players,bad at the best of times can literally barely see their cards by this stage and if they have a big tank it is crazy to leave the game-unless you are in the same boat:rolleyes:.
You wouldnt believe the amount of times I have seen big pots won when someone has actually misread their hand in the early hours.
The only reason to leave a game where relativly poor players have a lot of money in front of them is if you are exhausted or have become concerned about losing the money.I sometimes find that if I am up a good amount my play changes considerably-as a rule I try to leave immedaiatly when I find this to be the case.