2 Live Hands

RichieLawlor

€1-€2 NL
1st Hand

EP limper (doesnt mean anything, terrible player) Button raises to 10 (very aggressive good player) (280) i call from BB with 3c 4c (450) and limper calls (80)

Flop 2c 5d Qh

i check limper checks and button checks ( very unusual for him not to continuation bet on such a board)

Turn 5c i check (intend to check raise because there is no way he doesnt bet it this time) limper checks and Button bets 30 (60) i raise to 80 limper folds and button moves in

my move?

Hand 2

Raise to 10 from cut off with 7s 8s (500 stack) SB (average abc player playing 250) BB (good player playing 500) and EP (muppet playing 80) limper calls pot is now 40.


Flop 9s 10s Kd

SB checks BB checks EP checks Cut off bets 25, SB + BB call EP moves in for 80 (pot now about 200)

whats my play?

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

To answer them both in 1 word:

Hand 1: Fold

Hand 2: Push

RichieLawlor

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Hand 2: Ship it.

Do you still ship it if your sure 1 of the blinds will call aswell

bops

RichieLawlor wrote:

€1-€2 NL
1st Hand

EP limper (doesnt mean anything, terrible player) Button raises to 10 (very aggressive good player) (280) i call from BB with 3c 4c (450) and limper calls (80)

Flop 2c 5d Qh

i check limper checks and button checks ( very unusual for him not to continuation bet on such a board)

Turn 5c i check (intend to check raise because there is no way he doesnt bet it this time) limper checks and Button bets 30 (60) i raise to 80 limper folds and button moves in

my move??

I was a witness to this hand (lol @ description of the button)

anyways the call will cost you a further 170 for a shot at a pot totaling 570 - getting better than 2/1. (nearly 2.5)

your max outs are 15...and you know you are not drawing just for the str8 flush - he'd hardly rrai with a full boat? - tbh - you are 99% certain he had 5x

personally i think it was a terrible fold for you to make. i know you were drawing etc. and some may think this is a good enough reason to lay it down, but your aggressive style of play and the fact that you had 90 invested in the pot already (i know it's neither here/there - but it was 1/3 of total pot spend)

i also think it cost you more (outside the hand in question) because it got to you a bit and you overplayed the draws you picked up in later hands.

the odds aren't right? 2.5/1 with 15 outs twice - i'm tired? am i wrong??

what was the aim of your reraise? to take the pot down there and then or to build it into a pot that will cost stacks?? i think the latter - and therefore you got what you've asked for (in a round-about way!?)

i would especially like to hear ste's explaination - he's the only man you makes sense to me with his good reasoning skills

bops

RichieLawlor wrote:

Hand 2

Raise to 10 from cut off with 7s 8s (500 stack) SB (average abc player playing 250) BB (good player playing 500) and EP (muppet playing 80) limper calls pot is now 40.


Flop 9s 10s Kd

SB checks BB checks EP checks Cut off bets 25, SB + BB call EP moves in for 80 (pot now about 200)

whats my play?

i'm/was so tired i can't even remember this hand (don't think i was involved) - scratch that - i was the button (you've confussed the issue!!)

it's a case of call and fold to a reraise by the sb or bb, or push and isolate, hoping one of them hasn't a hand worth 500.

personally the push appears to be the right move, you have a monster draw against a muppet and a juicey but affordable pot.

bops

RichieLawlor wrote:

Do you still ship it if your sure 1 of the blinds will call aswell

considering the sb and bb have called 10 pf and 25 otf, there is always the possibility that you could be looking at the flopped straight (JQ) or a higher flush draw. a set/2 pair is unlikely due to the flop bet calls - they surely would have to raise here?

so i don't really know the answer tbh - it's probably close to a coin-flip (those oe str8fl draws always get me in trouble!!)

richie - what i'd really like to know is what people think about the play that followed?? (just so i can print out the responses to it and give them to him next thursday!)

RichieLawlor

bops wrote:

I was a witness to this hand (lol @ description of the button)

ok maybe i knew you would read this and i didnt want to upset you by saying the button is a total muppet:D

fixer

bops wrote:

anyways the call will cost you a further 170 for a shot at a pot totaling 570 - getting better than 2/1. (nearly 2.5)

pot is 380 and his call is 190. 2:1. you can't count his potential call into what the total pot will be when figuring out pot odds.

Also, you can't count all your cards if you put him on 5x. His x in your suit will fill a house, as will the Q of your suit, and if he's on A5 or 56, your straight is fubar. So, you don't have 15 outs twice.

bops

sorry - my head up my arse - tired - not even 15 outs and only once - it was on the turn!

good fold richie - but surprising!!

robinlacey

in hand one as soon as the board pairs you should abandon all interest in the pot.
hand two i probably just shove it in,you'd have to be unlucky to be too far behind here

ianmc38

Hand 1 is a really horrible check raise. He has a boat there like always.

Hand 2 I'd probably shove.

Sparky1808

Hand 1: I intend to agree with Ian here, I reckon he has the 5 or a boat, and is hoping you either have a 5 or a weaker 5 than him, and he's hoping to double off you - easy fold.

Hand 2: In a cash game, i'm never folding this flop regardless of actions. Ship it in baby, you've got a bucketload of outs!

Backstreet Moyes

Hand 1.

Lead out at the flop if hes aggressive hope for a raise then ship it in. Even if he has AQ he should get off it. If he calls you have outs. Looks good if it works out but quite stupid if you lose your stack on 4 high.

Hand 2

Jus insta push the flop.