"Show one show all" question.

jacQues

Home tournament using proper rules and casino-like attitude (not at all like a pub game). Two players to the flop. Some bets and one player makes a good bet on the river and the other player folds. Before mucking his hand he shows it to another person. This person was in the tournament earlier but got knocked out and was waiting for the tournament to finish since we were going to play another one right after it.

I happened to be dealing and flipped over his hand, revealing it to everyone, then continued to shuffle and deal the next hand. The player in question was upset by this, so I explained "show one show all". He disagreed that this rule applied in this situation because he showed his hand to someone that wasn't playing.

The same happened a few hands later. Now he was more upset because he told me the rule didn't apply and therefore I should have adjusted as such. So I explained that my view on this rule is that it applies no matter who you show your hand to.

Was I right?

jacQues

eoghan104

jacQues wrote:

He disagreed that this rule applied in this situation because he showed his hand to someone that wasn't playing.
jacQues

I have to agree with your friend here. If someone is sweating you in a tournament you dont have to show the table your cards.

Flushdraw

I'd be pretty p!ssed too if you showed my hand to the table if i didnt show a participating player my hand

jacQues

All good and well, but the reason behind this rule is that all players get equal information. If he'd show it to a single player still in the tournament ye would all rage if the hand wasn't shown. By showing his hand to a single player not in the tournament, that player gains information whereas other players do not. This may sound harmless, but that person with extra information will be playing in the very next tournament.

But hey, if that's the correct interpretation of this rule, then that's the rule and I won't do it again.

jacQues

Imposter

You think that's bad, here in Linz they have a show one card show all cards rule! It's a bastardised version of the show one show all rule. It's great for winding people up though

Mr. Flibble

I think your friend was right too. Often on WSOP coverage you see players show cards to the crowd and make sure no player at the table sees the cards.

I don't think it matters that the railer may play in a future tourny. There's nothing to stop the player going to the railer after the tourny and telling them what they had. Nothing wrong with them telling what they had every hand and how they play particular situations and what they think of other players' strategy etc for that matter so long as its before/after the tourny.

jem

jacQues,
our home game is very simular to yours and we have the same rule as you.
I also saw this in a pub type tourney- player showed rail bird hand, railbird told diff player what he had. tecnically player a didn't show player b his hand but effectivly he had. I mentioned it but didn't push it, had the pleasure of knocking both out later.

jacQues

So no-one else here thinks its angle-shooting to show your hand to a player that is not actually playing at the table at that time? The whole idea of "show one show all" is to make sure information is distributed evenly. E.G. all or none. When you allow people to show certain people but not all then this balance is gone.

In my opinion, either the "show one show all" rule always applies (e.g. show any person, show the whole table) or don't bother using it. To me there is no logic in partially applying such a rule. The fact that "they're not in the tournament" is irrelevant to me, since that hand information is remembered and used in future meetings. It carries over and can potentially be of great influence.

Also, in the WSOP all players can gain knowledge by watching the coverage on TV. So there may be justification for it in that situation. But still its pretty undecent, call it low, to show your hand to certain people but not all. In general, its good conduct to keep your hand to yourself at all times.

Also think alternates. This isn't used here in Ireland AFAIK, but according to the rules this would mean that a player that is not yet playing gains information but not the other players or should alternates be included in this rule?

jacQues

Mr. Flibble

But if you go with that line or reasoning then it makes it wrong/against the rules to talk about strategy or whatever with one person and not tell everyone your tables in a tourny the same thing as you start to play and this is obviously not reasonable. But if the game has started then if you talk everybody at the table can hear you an everyone gets the same info.

I wonder what the ruling is about talking about the game during a break :eek:

As well (not sure if this has any relevance as its sorta the opposite of what we're talking about), if cards are exposed at one table in an MTT no measures taken to ensure that players at other tables get to see the cards afaik. So not everyone in a tourny does get equal info.

jacQues

Mr. Flibble wrote:

if cards are exposed at one table in an MTT no measures taken to ensure that players at other tables get to see the cards afaik. So not everyone in a tourny does get equal info.

Good point. Hadn't considered that.

So its allowed and fine and bad taste at most.

I'll learn one day.

jacQues

Tar.Aldarion

I show my cards to friends after they are knocked out all the time, wouldn't be happy with you flipping em over.