omaha hand

redzerdrog

I got a lot of abuse after this hand did i really make such a bad a call? i thought I done the right thing but got all the how did ya call with that crap in the chatbox. I am a complete beginner when it come to omaha so any help is appriciated.

***** Hand History for Game 5694714903 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Tue Feb 20 20:22:01 EST 2007
Table Table 127994 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FriedGumbo ( $22.75)
Seat 2: wangguan ( $32.75)
Seat 3: redzerdrog ( $33.20)
Seat 4: bob53111 ( $29.55)
Seat 5: kc_flo20 ( $26.50)
Seat 6: MrDetermined ( $5)
Seat 7: NaturalHi ( $5.97)
Seat 8: valtteri123 ( $37.65)
Seat 9: PatSajack ( $7.40)
Seat 10: dody2 ( $40.48)
bob53111 posts small blind (0.10)
kc_flo20 posts big blind (0.25)
MrDetermined is sitting out.
NaturalHi posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to redzerdrog [ Ks, Kc, 3d, 7s ]
NaturalHi checks.
valtteri123 folds.
PatSajack folds.
dody2 calls (0.25)
FriedGumbo raises (1.35) to 1.35
wangguan calls (1.35)
redzerdrog calls (1.35)
bob53111 folds.
kc_flo20 calls (1.10)
NaturalHi folds.
dody2 calls (1.10)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, Tc, 6s ]
kc_flo20 checks.
dody2 bets (6.75)
FriedGumbo raises (21.40) to 21.40
FriedGumbo is all-In.
wangguan folds.
redzerdrog calls (21.40)
kc_flo20 folds.
dody2 calls (14.65)
Creating Main Pot with $68.30 with FriedGumbo
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
dody2 checks.
redzerdrog checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
dody2 checks.
redzerdrog bets (10.45)
redzerdrog is all-In.
dody2 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $68.30 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 4s Tc 6s Ah 2s ]

FriedGumbo balance $0, lost $22.75 [ 8c Ts 7c Js ] [ a flush, Jack high -- Js,Ts,6s,4s,2s ]
wangguan balance $31.40, lost $1.35 (folded)
redzerdrog balance $78.75, bet $33.20, collected $78.75, net +$45.55 [ Ks Kc 3d 7s ] [ a flush, King high -- Ks,7s,6s,4s,2s ]
bob53111 balance $29.45, lost $0.10 (folded)
kc_flo20 balance $25.15, lost $1.35 (folded)
MrDetermined balance $5, sits out
NaturalHi balance $5.72, lost $0.25 (folded)
valtteri123 balance $37.65, didn't bet (folded)
PatSajack balance $7.40, didn't bet (folded)
dody2 balance $17.73, lost $22.75 (folded)

bops

draw for 2nd nut flush and big overpair on harmless looking board
i'd have no fear of calling the AI - the most i'd expect to see is AAxx

don't mind chatboxes - they're generally full of sh*t
he prob had AA - hit his set on turn and got sick on the river and is just having a rant!

anyway wait for some expert advice...

Goodluck2me

its a fold. drawing to the second nuts is an expensive habit long term in omaha.

kebabfest

fair enough call. It would be very different if you were deepstacked though. With only 20 bills behind there arent much chance for manoever.

Rnger

without a doubt fold this preflop with all that action in front of you

redzerdrog

Rnger wrote:

without a doubt fold this preflop with all that action in front of you

is this really a fold preflop there was 1 raise and a call surely its worth a call with KKxx with one of the kings suited?

Daithio

Rnger wrote:

without a doubt fold this preflop with all that action in front of you

Are you serious?

phantom_lord

Rnger wrote:

without a doubt fold this preflop with all that action in front of you

a raise and a couple of callers=all that action?

TrueDub

I'd call the pre-flop bet no problem, but I'd definitely fold to the all-in - as already said, the second nuts is usually not good enough in omaha.

Rnger

yes i would fold it. Although its defo marginal after thinking about it some more. I tend to just nut peddle at these levels. KK73 even with a suit is a trouble hand. I think your throwing away money as you will not hit the flop hard enough often enough to make this call profitable. Also you will find yourself drawing to the 2nd best hand too often, costing you more money whether you miss your draw or not. The 73 isnt being used at all, id play the hand if it was more co-ordinated, with some straight possibilities

I'm way off amnt i

Daithio

Rnger wrote:

yes i would fold it. Although its defo marginal after thinking about it some more. I tend to just nut peddle at these levels. KK73 even with a suit is a trouble hand. I think your throwing away money as you will not hit the flop hard enough often enough to make this call profitable. Also you will find yourself drawing to the 2nd best hand too often, costing you more money whether you miss your draw or not. The 73 isnt being used at all, id play the hand if it was more co-ordinated, with some straight possibilities

I'm way off amnt i

I actually thought you were joking lol. But seriously, I think you have to stay preflop here. It's very likely you have the best hand at the moment, and it's never a good idea to fold if you think you have the best hand for obvious reasons. I call here and take a flop.

I'd probably fold the flop depending on the players, but I don't think a call here is terrible if you have some info leaning you towards it.

eoghan104

redzerdrog wrote:

is this really a fold preflop there was 1 raise and a call surely its worth a call with KKxx with one of the kings suited?

id call here but i think potting it is even better than a fold!!!!

id probabley fold the flop.

Bandana boy

Your in the Co so repotting is defo an option here

Folding this flop is your best course of action after you limped with callers behind you still to speak you could easily have 2 outs here and be dead on turn

gaz15

Fish!

Daithio

The only reason I think potting it is an option is because there's a possibility at these stakes that you might get action off QQ or JJ, but at the higher stakes I think potting it is pretty bad.