shouldn't this really be a standard fold?

phantom_lord

i mean it's as clear as day what he has

null - $1 BB

Button ($341.12) [phantom_lord]
SB ($275.25)
BB ($49)
UTG ($130)
MP ($144)
CO ($284.16)

phantom_lord is Button with 6h, 6c
Preflop: (6 players, $0)
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, phantom_lord calls $2 and raises $5, SB folds, BB calls $5, UTG calls $5

Flop: 2d, 9d, Ah (3 players, $19)
BB checks, UTG checks, phantom_lord bets $15, BB folds, UTG calls $15

Turn: 7d (2 players, $49)
UTG checks, phantom_lord checks

River: 6s (2 players, $49)
UTG bets $25,


guy is a 70/35/1.2

valor

its never as clear as day what a 70/35 has

BigCityBanker

I dunno, i call and have him pegged for Ax or two pair. You have checked the turn and he may be just trying to take it down on the flop. Straightforward call for a donkey calling station like me.

Bandana boy

Not only is it not a standard fold against a few 70 fish i might even value raise here

cooker3

Fold against a 70/35 guy are you mad! :eek:

LuckyLloyd

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Lafortezza

I'd be leaning towards a raise more than a fold if those stats are over a reasonable number of hands.

phantom_lord

huh? he nearly always has a flush here.

One of the things about running bad is that you start second guessing yourself. Shane,

this guy has been calling every single one of my raises with draws.this is the first time he bet against me, I think.and if it matters I was playing pretty well and feeling good in this session and was up a few yoyos.

he limped called a raise=I've got pretty cards.

c/c flop=I've got a fd

c turn hope i bet=i have a flush

betting river hard=pay my flush plz.

I was pretty certain that's what he had but called like a station cause I'd hit a set.

no one thinks this is a fold?

This is just a thread out of frustration on my part, i keep getting hands like this where I'm almost certain he's a flush or whatever and has outdrawn me but I call anyway, cause either i wont drop a set or cause I'm getting good odds, and everytime I turns over exactly what I'm expecting.

Richard W

If his stats are really like that, I'm sure he's been calling you with more than just draws. I'd call here. I can easily see him having 2 pair.

dacman

Calling the river is the only option here. Raising is stupid if u ask me. If he has a flush fair enough, he just got lucky. I certainly would not fold the river bet here.

pok3rplaya

Easy call.

Also you need to raise more pf in a lot of your threads. Standard should be 4x + 1bb/limper or at lease 3.5x + 1bb/limper

NeVeR

Sorry Guys been meaning to ask this for a long time but when you say "He a 70/35/1.2" what do you mean ?

phantom_lord

so even tho my read is like 95% sure I'm beat here, we're all insta-calling?

BigCityBanker

well if you are confident that you are 95% beat this is not a profitable call in the long run, you should clearly fold and there was no need for this thread.

Me im not 95% confident im beat in these situations and therefore I instacall getting 3/1 on my money - hence my donkey status.

valor

no, go with your reads, but you are wrong here against this villain if you were working solely on stats


"keep getting hands like this where I'm almost certain he's a flush or whatever and has outdrawn me but I call anyway, cause either i wont drop a set or cause I'm getting good odds, and everytime I turns over exactly what I'm expecting."


you only remember the ones you lose

phantom_lord

ok, i just thought he played in the most cards face up way possible and I really shoulda been disciplined enough to lay it down. but i guess it wasn't such a bad call as I felt at the time.

"keep getting hands like this where I'm almost certain he's a flush or whatever and has outdrawn me but I call anyway, cause either i wont drop a set or cause I'm getting good odds, and everytime I turns over exactly what I'm expecting."


you only remember the ones you lose

I really can't remember many hands at all where I felt so strongly I was beaten and he turned up a poxy two pair or something.

Gholimoli

phantom_lord wrote:

so even tho my read is like 95% sure I'm beat here, we're all insta-calling?

what is your read based on?
thoes stats suggest that you read is wrong and flush is only one of the many hands he could have here.
How do you think he would play the hand with A9,A2,22,A6,96,92s,62s,99 ?

phantom_lord

Gholimoli wrote:

what is your read based on?
those stats suggest that you read is wrong and flush is only one of the many hands he could have here.
How do you think he would play the hand with A9,A2,22,A6,96,92s,62s,99 ?

well, c/c the flop is indicative of a station with a draw, as is his river bet. he called pretty quickly too, which is a quite often a draw.

A couple of little things like that, I can't really quantify it tbh, it was just my gut feeling.

He had c/c me down 3/4 times and c/f when he missed, here the draw hit, and he was betting.

I really think he plays all of those hands differently, any hand that he thinks he has me beat with he's probably betting with before the river, he was just a really obvious straightforward player.

when he c/c the flop, i thought his most likely hand was a draw, and I really didn't like that river card cause I felt I had to call, even though I felt strongly about what he had.


I don;t have many hands on him, he stats finished up 58/25/1.2 over 39 hands when he left.