Is MMA getting Slam Happy

Dragan

Right, is MMA getting Slam Happy? Do you guys consider this a legitmate aspect of the sport that should be trained for and brought into the game or do you think it is just something that may or may not work should you pull one off???

Pro's and Con's of going for the big Slam anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN4POaQ_tc0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2T8ZL6IOqs&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FlT09mWpFM&mode=related&search=

cowzerp

If the slam is done well it can badly wind your opponent so is a good move for wrestler type fighters-and if done right should put you in the dominant positions also-i think they are useful if trained-if untrained they can be poor also..

Nothingcompares

I think the main benefit of performing a big slam is that they look good and might earn you exposure. I would guess, that 9 times out of 10 a big slam takedown will not result directly into a match winning situation. What I mean is, if you slam someone, you'll not knock them out or leave them in such a state of shock you can quickly ground and pound them. It's worth noting that in the first video, Peter Duncan did perform a spectacular slam but did go on to lose the fight some moments later. Possibly as a result of dizzying himself up by performing that slam, or the second one he attempted some moments later.

I would imagine that the majority of results that come directly from a slam are a product of either sheer freaky luck/bad luck (arona) or complete inexperience of wrestling. I'm not familiar with too many KOs in wrestling tournaments from slams. I think in the second video, when the guy is up on the slammers shoulder, he attempts to hug down with his body and goes rigid and gets his head walloped. He might have been a bit more relaxed, taken the slam with a bit of a break fall, been winded but not KOed.

Remember Fedor vs Randleman?

Clive

What possible cons could there be to slamming someone?

ColinJennings

Mick Leonard did a fantastic slam on some guy in Bushido Rings in the Point and went on to win about 5 seconds later! Clearly the Slam has its advantages.

HammerHeadGym

Yep, and some guy in Tiger Muay Thai shorts did a slam to win his fight inthe mma league in bosco's. Don't know his name though, sorry.

Taiwan-Evo

NEGATIVES TO SLAMING

Possibly tightening the submission such as triangle,gullotine or hyperextending your own arm if slamming to get out of an armbar. Another negative is the excess energy it uses. I personally like the slam though and wish it was allowed in BJJ comps more.

When you are lifting to slam the guy, he can always release mid air and regain a better position.

mark.leonard

Nothingcompares wrote:

..... Peter Duncan did perform a spectacular slam but did go on to lose the fight some moments later. Possibly as a result of dizzying himself up by performing that slam, or the second one he attempted some moments later.

Peter's first slam was awesome, he was so excited by it though he went too far on his second one and slammed Emmet on top of his own head half knocking himself out. If he had just done a regular old slam he would probably have been fine!

Nothingcompares

It was Alan the cannon Hannon I think who won by slam in the last leg of the MMAleague. I won by "slam" in my first sub wrestling tournament match up. Which was rather unexpected.

Slams are cool but if you want to learn how to win match ups be a great sub artist or puncher. However, clinch is ultra important.

HammerHeadGym

Clive wrote:

What possible cons could there be to slamming someone?

They only one I can think of is that you only get to do one

skorn

pros:
- potential KO
- potential to daze you opponent
- makes the crowd go wild

cons:
- can help tighten a submission
- potential of knocking yourself out (who did that before? Baroni? Tanner? Kerr?)
- energy sapping

its part of the sport now, people should train to be able to execute it well. but they should perhaps more importantly train to defend against it (ie Arona v Rampage - Arona could have easily escaped that HUGE slam)

hardCopy

skorn wrote:

pros:
- potential KO
- potential to daze you opponent
- makes the crowd go wild

cons:
- can help tighten a submission
- potential of knocking yourself out (who did that before? Baroni? Tanner? Kerr?)
- energy sapping

its part of the sport now, people should train to be able to execute it well. but they should perhaps more importantly train to defend against it (ie Arona v Rampage - Arona could have easily escaped that HUGE slam)

I think Lindland had a famous self-KO from a failed slam years ago, can't find it on youtube though.

Edit: Not sure if it's the one you're talking about but he did it in UFC 43 apparently

Valmont

Clive wrote:

What possible cons could there be to slamming someone?

None, slams kick ass:D

Kent Brockman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa80W9-qvgQ

Clive

skorn wrote:

cons:
- can help tighten a submission
- potential of knocking yourself out (who did that before? Baroni? Tanner? Kerr?)
- energy sapping

I know other people have mentioned these, but skorn laid them out in a lovely point format!

1. You never, ever try to slam your way out of a submission - grappling 101.

2. If you do a knee wrong, you can knee yourself in the head (and yes, I have done that). If you do a guard pass wrong you can walk yourself into a submission. If you do anything arseways, the outcome will be poop. So let's all get practicing slamming each other.

3. Everything is energy sapping. Shooting for a bad double leg then driving after the guy for twenty seconds, trying desperately to get him to the ground (even though it would be just a gentle placing of him on his bottom and you'll probably end up in his guard anyway) is also very energy sapping! A heavy kick or cross is more energy sapping than a flicky jab, but I think we can agree it's worth it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Clive wrote:

2. If you do a knee wrong, you can knee yourself in the head (and yes, I have done that)..

Thank god I'm not the only one. Except mine was an upper cut to the forehead!.

Bad quality photo but here's me slamming an opponent for silver.

Leinster open a few year's back.

TwoKingMick

I'm slam happy, in so much as slamming people makes me happy.

The only downside I've ever encountered is that was you slam a few people real good it becomes expected of you to slam everyone, which is a little difficult.

Kent Brockman

Anyone ever worry about head/neck/spinal injuries when slamming someone? Saw a horrendous clip on 'the tube' about serious injuries in MMA and 2 or 3 were from slams (Cant find the clip any more and probably shouldn't post it here anyway!)