dun laoghaire trouble big issue

kurisu

today while in dun laoghaire a woman selling the big issue magazine robbed me by asking saying she needed a ten note, she was holding out a few a load of 2 and one euro cons giving me the impression that she was going to give that to me in exchange for then 10 but then se just pocked the 10 and game a pile of coins that amounted to less than 3 euro then just tryed to fob me off with one of the magazines when i asked for my 10 back, had any had this happen to them in dun laoghaire?
its just one particular young woman walking around selling big issue magazine, im sure the rest off them are ok, i probably would have spoke up mor but i was wearing my school uniform and if anyone watching confused the situation i may hve appeared to be the bad guy

kmick

Tell your parents and go back there and see if she is there. If she is call the police and have her arrested. Then never give your money to these women again. They are not nice people. Learn a lesson too - if someone screws you over make a scene. These people get away with things like this because Irish people dont make a scene.

Agent Smith

kurisu wrote:

today while in dun laoghaire a woman selling the big issue magazine robbed me by asking saying she needed a ten note, she was holding out a few a load of 2 and one euro cons giving me the impression that she was going to give that to me in exchange for then 10 but then se just pocked the 10 and game a pile of coins that amounted to less than 3 euro then just tryed to fob me off with one of the magazines when i asked for my 10 back, had any had this happen to them in dun laoghaire?
its just one particular young woman walking around selling big issue magazine, im sure the rest off them are ok, i probably would have spoke up mor but i was wearing my school uniform and if anyone watching confused the situation i may hve appeared to be the bad guy

was she the gypsie one, with the head scarf....

i'm in DL most days, and its got to the point that i flat out shout at her to leave me alone.

no prob with anyone coming here, but hasseling you for money every day is headwrecking

kurisu

right i think ill do that then, i wasnt sure where i stand since i just handed it over, ll jus head down with my parents later

kurisu

yeh was ,the a young gypsie one. i think youd call it a headscarf its kinda blue and goes over her head like a hood

Zambia

kmick wrote:

Tell your parents and go back there and see if she is there. If she is call the police and have her arrested. Then never give your money to these women again. They are not nice people. Learn a lesson too - if someone screws you over make a scene. These people get away with things like this because Irish people dont make a scene.

This is true , never give money to these people they are a blight. They have been doing this since I worked security in 1998. They are constantly giving the wrong change then feign no engilsh(or have none) when questioned or sigh as if they have no cash.

There are even some who take the train up to belfast from Dublin to do this Big Issue selling. These women are a scam do not give them money.

If you want proof go to the train station in Connelly at 20.00 they take the train around 17:30/18:00. If you live in Belfast have a look at the 6A Bus stop outside City Hall same time. This is a pricey trip so profits must be good ...

Feckin gypsys.. sorry they do annoy me

kurisu

ok , but i think i should emphasize it was just this one woman, ive never had this before really , and i think people should know just to avod that one person , the rest could be fine

Jocksy

Serves you right for giving your money to a gyspie dog.

If people like you didnt give them money then we wouldnt be infested by those scum like we are.

lightening

kurisu wrote:

ok , but i think i should emphasize it was just this one woman, ive never had this before really , and i think people should know just to avod that one person , the rest could be fine

The most sensible post so far... fair play to you Kurisu. Put it down to experience. From the way you are acting you are going to be earning a lot of money and you will laugh about it some day.

Jocksy. Grow up. (You will be a taxi driver).

Zambia

Jocksy wrote:

Serves you right for giving your money to a gyspie dog.

If people like you didnt give them money then we wouldnt be infested by those scum like we are.

You got blown out by one didnt you ??

I cant stand them myself .. but steady on

eth0_

Utter scum.
I saw one of these romanians sitting outside Dunnes on Georges St selling the Big Issue *AND* begging.

"Please....my baby! Please!"

Change the f*cking record.

If I see her again i'm going to note down her Big Issue badge number and ask her why the hell she is begging when selling the BI. No doubt the badge is fake and she probably stole the magazines off a legitimate seller who is REALLY homeless.

I'd love to know why these gypsies were never ejected from our country before Romania joined the EU. They're a scourge. And i'm not being racist because a> they're not a race and b> myself and friends of mine have been scammed and attacked by these people many times in the past.

Chucky the tree

Why will the cops arrest her? Its your word against hers, and for a few euro they wont bother.

I'd just go up and nut her, then go through her pockets for your change whiles shes in a heap on the ground.

Flukey

Most of them are fine. Just never ask anyone on the street for change or offer them money in order to get change or expecting to.

lightening

eth0_ wrote:

Utter scum........

I'd love to know why these gypsies were never ejected from our country before Romania joined the EU. They're a scourge. And i'm not being racist because a> they're not a race and b> myself and friends of mine have been scammed and attacked by these people many times in the past.

Is it because they are Roma Gypsies that you think they are from Romania? And how did they manage to scam of you and all your friends??

Raekwon

That young gypsie has been around Dun Laoghaire for years now. There are a good few gypsies hanging around Dun Laoghaire, mostly older, but this younger one seems to be gaining the most notoriety. I have actually seen her being questioned by the Gardi several times but she is still around which is odd, I mean if it was a local skanger hassling people they would be off the streets in no time!

Anyway, I was waiting at a packed bus stop outside of Argos yesterday and she came along with her big issues. I have noticed in the past that she mainly targets men and it was no different yesterday, she passed most of the women at the bus stop and went directly for any blokes. Anyway she came upto me and asked if I had change of 2 Euro which I answered with a firm 'No' without even looking at her. Why is she being allowed to get away with this???

She is the definition of human trash :mad:

Degsy

There's abunch of these ****ers operating around the middel of o'connell street.They come up to you holdingg a copy of the big issue and while they're distracting you a friend of thiers goes through your pockets.Dont stop to talk to them and dont give them any money.They're thieves plain and simple.

lightening

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005219

Borzoi

lightening wrote:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005219

What's your point?

lightening

They are a race of people.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jocksy wrote:

Serves you right for giving your money to a gyspie dog.

If people like you didnt give them money then we wouldnt be infested by those scum like we are.

You name a Borat? Yes?

Dub13

Jocksy wrote:

Serves you right for giving your money to a gyspie dog.

If people like you didnt give them money then we wouldnt be infested by those scum like we

Jocksy Banned for a week for this Gem.

Chucky the tree wrote:

I'd just go up and nut her, then go through her pockets for your change whiles shes in a heap on the ground.

Chucky the tree also banned for a week.


Lets keep this clean,Roma Gypsies rub a lot of people up the wrong way but lets be civil about it here.

lightening

eth0_ wrote:

Utter scum......Change the f*cking record......And i'm not being racist because a> they're not a race......

Unbelievable. Shocking show of ignorance.

Rb

Omg, someones defending the Roma Gypsies...now I've seen everything.

Dub13: How clean are you expecting it to be?99.9% of people in this country have a problem with these people, have either been scammed or hassled by them at least once in the last month...so you're going to get a lot of angry people saying not so nice things about them. I'll hold my tongue though, I do have a huge problem with these...people but theres no point in going into a rant about it here.

OP: Not much you can do, just learn from the experience and never, ever deal with these people again...maybe then they'll f*ck off and leave.

Dub13

rb_ie wrote:

Dub13: How clean are you expecting it to be?99.9% of people in this country have a problem with these people,

Well for a start insinuating violence on any group of people is wrong even if you have a problem with them.

Rb

Dub13 wrote:

Well for a start insinuating violence on any group of people is wrong even if you have a problem with them.

Yeah I'll agree with that.

Zambia

I have to agree with the mod. I cant stand all of them but a little restraint is called for.

My dislike is that everyone of these roma gypsies I have met I have not liked so if they where a company I would give them a 100% disatified rating. I wonder if they had no money how did they get all the way here ?

lightening

Regarding defending these people, I just hate blatant hatred and racism. Taring a whole group of people with the one brush is wrong. "gypsie dog, scum, human trash" It was not long ago the Irish were tared with the same brush. Some people still think all Irish people are "pykies". Part of becoming a wealthier nation is having people like Roma Gypsies coming to Ireland, it was only a matter of time. They are all over mainland Europe. The fact that we are only exposed to the ones that are begging is fogging our view of them.

I can understand the OP getting scammed, its not nice, he/she is a school kid, got fleeced trying to help someone. The reaction of the schoolperson was one of the most mature ones in the thread.

"i think people should know just to avod that one person , the rest could be fine"

This shows maturity and restraint. Some of the older people in the thread could learn from this person.

Regarding adults getting scammed, there is some streetwise tips to follow. Keep your money in a zipped pocket. Use indoor ATM's or use one with a friends back facing yours. If you give money to beggers, keep a Euro on its own in your back pocket. (ie, dont take a bunch of money out and pick out what you want to give away) Say politely and confidently "no thanks" to big issue sellers if you are not interested, or just avoid eye contact. If people display a baby to your admire the baby and suggest condoms. I often ask how old the baby is, admire the kid and give no money, they don't seem to get annoyed. (one time it was a doll!) Never oblige to change money. Never oblige to buy something in a shop for someone. Split your money if you have a good bit on you (if you get mugged, take out the fifty in your wallet and keep the two hundred in your zip pocket) Hold on your phone tight if walking and talking/texting.

Zambia

lightening wrote:

"i think people should know just to avod that one person , the rest could be fine"

Regarding adults getting scammed, there is some streetwise tips to follow. Keep your money in a zipped pocket. Use indoor ATM's or use one with a friends back facing yours. If you give money to beggers, keep a Euro on its own in your back pocket. (ie, dont take a bunch of money out and pick out what you want to give away) Say politely and confidently "no thanks" to big issue sellers if you are not interested, or just avoid eye contact. If people display a baby to your admire the baby and suggest condoms. I often ask how old the baby is, admire the kid and give no money, they don't seem to get annoyed. (one time it was a doll!) Never oblige to change money. Never oblige to buy something in a shop for someone. Split your money if you have a good bit on you (if you get mugged, take out the fifty in your wallet and keep the two hundred in your zip pocket) Hold on your phone tight if walking and talking/texting.

Good advice I will however just avoid every single one of them. Seems a lot simpler.

ODS

lightening wrote:

If people display a baby to your admire the baby and suggest condoms.

Best advice yet

So how did you advise them when it was a doll :eek: ?

lightening

ODS wrote:

So how did you advise them when it was a doll :eek: ?

It was outside the hairy lemon in the summer, she ran off laughing while everyone booed and laughed at her...

OTK

Treat people in the way you would have them treat you. Show Roma some respect and treat them like human beings. This is lesson zero of christian morality.

Fair enough think twice before engaging in cash transactions with them or before engaging in credit card transactions with nigerians but please don't step beyond this into 'they are all inhuman scum'. This is the first step on the road to human rights abuses.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

OTK wrote:

Treat people in the way you would have them treat you. Show Roma some respect and treat them like human beings. This is lesson zero of christian morality.

Fair enough think twice before engaging in cash transactions with them or before engaging in credit card transactions with nigerians but please don't step beyond this into 'they are all inhuman scum'. This is the first step on the road to human rights abuses.

This is not a Christian country - this is Ireland.

Dyr

How long have large numbers of Roma been in this country now? 5 years?? a bit more? We dont have the long history of mistrust of the roma that mainland europe has but all the same in 5 years they've managed to make themselves despised by many (if not most) people ..even travellers seem to hate em lol.

Now you can bang on about how they've been persecuted for centuries but when everywhere you go people hate you, it might just be because you actually deserve it. Sorry PC people but sometime a spade is, in fact, a spade.

lightening

5 Years? No, a lot longer than that. I hate to bring it back to this, but there was huge mistrust of Jews in mainland Europe in the late 1930's as well. You can bang on about people being PC, but being persecuted for centuries because "you deserve it" doesn't cut it with me I am afraid.

"What emerges very clearly from the examination of the situation of Roma/Gypsies/Travellers is that they are the victims of discrimination and racism throughout Europe. While this racism towards Roma/Gypsies/Travellers is similar in many aspects to the racism experienced by the groups in society it has its own specific features. In particular the negative stereotyping and scapegoating of Roma/Gypsies/Travellers has a long history and their exclusion is associated in particular with a rejection by dominant sedentary societies of nomadism and its related values and lifestyle."

(Draft report for Conference
in Leuven, Belgium, 17-19th January, 1998)

You are stereotyping Roma gypsies, you hear urban myths and stories of people being scammed, you see them begging, you avoid eye contact, you get embarrassed when they loudly beg at you call a spade a spade. Have you ever talked to one? Ever?

Rb

Christ, stop defending these people. It comes across as either a: You're a gypsie yourself or b: You're going against everyone else for the kicks.

These people are hated for a reason. How many Roma gypsies have you seen working jobs in this country? I've personally seen s.f.a, except one who works in the local supermarket but according to some people who know him well, hes an ex-gang member. Where do we see these people? Begging on our streets, picking our pockets, arriving at our doors with their hands out (despite having green cards), scamming us on street corners by pretending to be selling the Big Issue, trying to pressure us into giving them money by shoving their innocent children in our faces. They're also working our banks, scamming the cashiers out of money by creating havok in the branches as a distraction. In other countries, they intimidate people, they mug them, I've even heard of cases of sexual assault/rapings by these people in certain areas on the continent.

Personally I have spoken to these scamming f*cks on a few occasions, what a mistake that was. They either tried to guilt me into handing over my cash, or distracted me while one of their kids picked a mobile from my pocket.

Stereotyping them?THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. They're in our country, their husbands/sons are robbing our houses while we sleep whilst we sleep, while their daughters and wives come and beg or scam us on our streets. Think they pay tax or contribute towards our economy(bar purchasing goods and services)? Not f*cking likely. You show me ten decent, hard working Roma gypsies and I'll show you a thousand beggar or criminal ones.

OTK wrote:

but please don't step beyond this into 'they are all inhuman scum'

Lol, they may not be inhuman, but they're certainly scum.

I think we've found some RAR members on Boards anyway. I may come across as ignorant in this post, but I'm certainly not. I could give less of a f*ck what race a person is, or what community they're a part of, but I absolutely loathe Roma Gypsies. Again, you show me ten decent ones, and I'll show you a thousand scummy f*cks. It's certainly not a case of a few giving the rest a bad name.

I ignore these people when I see them on our streets, I have never nor will I ever give them a single cent.

Thats all I have to say on the matter.

PurpleFistMixer

Jaysus that's a lot of anger.
Can't say I've ever had a problem with any of these people... no muggings spring to mind... The most annoying thing I find is the little girls improvising really badly on the accordion, and that's more an insult to my musical taste than my sense of security in the city.

Maybe I've just been lucky in my dealings or I'm too young to have developed enough hatred.

Rb

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

Jaysus that's a lot of anger.

I'm not angry with the Roma gypsies, as I said, I ignore them so they don't have much of an effect on my daily life these days. I do, however, despise the shíte the RAR and the like come out with.

Dyr

lightening wrote:

You are stereotyping Roma gypsies, you hear urban myths and stories of people being scammed, you see them begging, you avoid eye contact, you get embarrassed when they loudly beg at you call a spade a spade. Have you ever talked to one? Ever?

Stereotyping them? Like i said no-one in this country had any preconceptions about the roma when they came here, yet here we are after 5 years and most people cant stand 'em. We didn't have any stereotype before they came, The stereotype is the one they've created for themselves. So yes the spade is actually a spade in this case. In the case of the jews it simply wasnt, they were and are pretty diverse as ethnic group. but still feel free to keep bringing the jews up

and yes, i have spoken to gypsies but not in ireland.. so what? some of em are **** hot musicians, some of em are talented artists. The only ones i've seen over here are criminals IMO, thats not based or stories or urban myths it's based on what I've seen with my own eyes. Criminals who are making a tasty profit because people are afraid to point out the rather large elephant in the living room.

Collie D

OP, I'd report her to the Big Issues office, they'll sort her out. Won't comment on the rest of the thread as I don't think it's worthy of it.

lightening

Bambi wrote:

The only ones i've seen over here are criminals

Every single Gypsie you have seen "with your own eyes" in Ireland is, without a doubt a criminal?

That's amazing. Do you really believe this?

I do appreciate that some Roma Gypsies are involved in crime and scams (just like some Irish are) But for every one you see out on the streets begging, or commiting crime in front of your very own eyes, how many are sitting at home watching TV? Please enlighten me, you seem to know so much about the Roma Gypsies in Ireland. Where do they live, I presume in mansions with the tidy profits they make off people who are afraid.

Bear in mind there may people with Roma blood in them reading...

Degsy

lightening wrote:

Every single Gypsie you have seen "with your own eyes" in Ireland is, without a doubt a criminal?

That's amazing. Do you really believe this?

I do appreciate that some Roma Gypsies are involved in crime and scams (just like some Irish are) But for every one you see out on the streets begging, or commiting crime in front of your very own eyes, how many are sitting at home watching TV? Please enlighten me, you seem to know so much about the Roma Gypsies in Ireland. Where do they live, I presume in mansions with the tidy profits they make off people who are afraid.

Bear in mind there may people with Roma blood in them reading...

Go away.

Dub13

Locked as this is going nowere.