Moving poles for lines of sight

bofo

Hi all.

I've to move a few poles along the road frontage of my site and am hoping someone could clear a few issues... One is an electric pole with 2 wires running from it going diagonally across the site. The others is a telegraph pole with a single wire running parallel to the road along the front of the site.

I've been able to contact ESB about the first pole, but without any great commitment on their behalf, but despite trying am unable to find out who needs to be contacted regarding the telegraph pole...
Would I be able to get it moved or even ask for the cable to be buried beneath the ground for a few hundred yards?

If anyone is able to offer assistance or advice I’d greatly appreciate it.

Many thanks

Brendan

bro'

I had a similar situation with ESB poles..

I believe ESB are obliged to relocate poles if [high voltage] lines are over or within a certain distance [I think 6m] of a dwelling. this may also apply if the pole is located at the planning approval access point ie if in middle of drive.

I got them to move mine but because of where they planned on moving it I had to pay to get them to move it to where I wanted. The extra payment was due to the fact that extra poles were required for them to do this.

Eircom are the ones to contact about the telegraph pole you may already have conditions in your planning for utility connection requirements but you should contact eircom and an engineer will come out to review the options with you. I myself need to cross a road and without digging up the road or two poles i am looking at directional drilling for putting the line underground across the road.

i am no expert but check with your engineer/architect etc

bofo

'Bro - very much appreciated information.

I've tried to get Eircom's contact number through their web-site, but unless you're looking for a broadband connection there's no appropriate contact details relating to the movement of poles... Any help there?

Once again many thanks

Brendan

bro'

I just rang '1901' and 'service enquiry' option...

cheers

mad m

Had similar situation when I bought my house,the public lighting pole/ESB was not on the boundary line. It was a good 6foot from it. I got onto ESB and they sent out an engineer and it was alot of hassle for them to move it because the pole was the last one, and to move it it would mean cutting power supply to road for day plus lengthing cables.

They hit me with a 3K(Punt money) bill but they would pay 2K and I would have to make short fall.At the time money was tight so asked next door neighbour to go halves but he said no. Now he has a poxy drive in where the steel cable is attached and bolted into ground and his wall is cut at same angle as steel cable,so no peer for him.

My uncle said to me that if the pole was in a bad way they would have to move it....Looks like my pole will be still there when Im pushing up daisys.:rolleyes:

bofo

Mad M

Thanks for the comment. I'm still trying to resolve the problem, but feedback from others in a similar situation is always helpful.

Cheers

Brendan

muffler

bofo, depending on the voltage of the overhead cables the ESB will normally move them free of charge - dont take no for an answer if the cables are going to interfere with the house and dont agree to pay unless they get very awkward about it.

ESB have been known to insulate cables and leave them at that providing they are something like 4 metres min. above the roof but there may be a change in policy in recent times in that situation. Your best bet is to get a form and submit it requesting the removal and relocation of the poles/line. You will have to show them your planning permission and a copy of the site layout. Talk to someone you know in the ESB or to someone who knows someone etc......This normally expedites matters.

Re: Eircom cables - smashey will ban me if I give you my thoughts on that shower :mad: but as with the ESB try to get in touch with someone local in the engineering dept. of Eircom

bofo

Muffler

As always - great to hear some first-hand experience and useful recommendations. I've tried to contact Eircom a week or so ago and have yet to receive a reply... Although i'm in the early stages of development i'd like to sort the issue ASAP so it won't linger on... I'll up-date this thread should I get any other developments for other concerned individuals in the same boat...

Brendan

bofo

After weeks of trying to track someone down from Eircom I got this e-mail address incase anyone else is in the same boat and needs it - plantalterations@eircom.ie

I've subsequently been contacted by Eircom to say that an initial survey is needed of the site costing 279.21 Euro. This will be deducted from the cost of the job... Three questions really:

1. It's just an initial survey being offered - could they refuse to move the pole?
2. What's a rough price for the moving of a pole and burrying of cables if it's needed?
3. Would there be a discount/offer if I get connected to Eircom at the same time?

Many thanks.

Brendan

Kildare263

Hi,
I am in a similar situation where i have to relocate utility poles along my sightlines. I have been on to eircom who sent me out a survey invoice for 340 euro.
I have a feeling that the next bill i get will be in the thousands as there are 5 utility poles along the sightlines, however only one is actually in the line of sight.
Does anyone know a cheaper method of overcoming this??

muffler

Kildare263 wrote: »

.Does anyone know a cheaper method of overcoming this??

A drunk jcb driver :pac:

Kildare263

muffler wrote: »

A drunk jcb driver :pac:

That is one of the better options alright, but they will probably end up putting the pole back in the same place

muffler

Have the poles to be moved as part of a planning condition?

Kildare263

Yes unfortunately, they are along a main road too and they want the pole moved to the inside of the ditch.

sydthebeat

Kildare263 wrote: »

Hi,
I am in a similar situation where i have to relocate utility poles along my sightlines. I have been on to eircom who sent me out a survey invoice for 340 euro.
I have a feeling that the next bill i get will be in the thousands as there are 5 utility poles along the sightlines, however only one is actually in the line of sight.
Does anyone know a cheaper method of overcoming this??

if only 1 cause obstruction, then only 1 will need to be moved.

JuniorB

In similar situation. A lot depends on the pole. If enough 'slack' on the line then they are handy enough to move... local JCB guy etc etc ...
If end of a line or corner pole etc then the only way Eircom will replace a pole for free is if the current pole is condemned. Ways and means to get that done too...but not as handy

Have neighbour who has 2 poles and at either side of his back garden and a line across (approx 20 mtrs). Got Eircom out and they are looking for 10k to put the line under ground.... and he has to dig the trench and 2 manholes for them !!

ESB seem to be a lot sounder.

egorski

Hi All,

I am trying to do a simple thing with Eircom at the moment. We just bought a house (!) and have a really old Eircom line into it. The phone line works but it has an old main connection box (the NTU) and the Eircom phone line is hanging down in free air (at head height) in the porch. This is where it gets
interesting. We obviously need to move the phone line as it is majorily in the way and get a new NTU. I want to simply move the line about three metres along the outer wall of the house to a more discreet location. This will actually be closer to the Eircom pole outside the house.

I emailed Eircom plantalerations@eircom.ie. They will charge a NON_REFUNDABLE fee of 340 euros to come out and tell me whether the job can be done or not. Once they have surveyed the job, they will then tell me how much it will cost to do the job and subtract the survey fee. This is utter madness - it leaves the customer open to be charged whatever Eircom decide. I have to pay 340 euros to find out how much
a very simple job is going to cost!

I would think it would be possible to do the job myself or get an electrical contractor to do it but I need a new NTU and it seems impossible to buy them anywhere.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Kildare263

JuniorB wrote: »

Have neighbour who has 2 poles and at either side of his back garden and a line across (approx 20 mtrs). Got Eircom out and they are looking for 10k to put the line under ground.... and he has to dig the trench and 2 manholes for them !!

10k??!! that is ridiculous, and apparently putting the line underground is the cheaper method to relocating it!
I sent off my cheque for €340.50 today for Eircom to come out and do the survey. I dont know which are worse, them or Kildare County Council for charging ridiculous amounts of money for having to get up off a chair.

egorski

10k! - this is absolutely ridiculous. I was considering asking them to bury
the cable too.

Surely, there is something illegal about this whole quoting procedure from Eircom. It has to violate some kind of code of ethics/best practice - where
else in the world would you hand over the money BEFORE getting the survey done....and then hand over the money BEFORE getting the job done.......

Does anybody know where I can buy a good NTU and if a standard electrician would do this job?

ninjaBob

They requested 5500 from me to move 3 poles. I had to dig the trenches and create the manholes so that they could run the cable underground.

I don't think I'll bother moving the poles any time soon. I asked for a detailed breakdown of the labour and materials required for the job

ninjaBob

Just a quick one, as part of my planning conditions I need to get a telegraph pole removed.

I have put in the various ducting required and paid eircom to do a survey.

They came back with a bill of €6000, given that their poles are on my land, and a cause of breeching my planning permission, can I force eircom to move the pole?

I have no intention of paying eircom €6000 to remove a pole. I've contacted my solicitor regarding this point, but he has yet to get back to me on it.

muffler

ninjaBob wrote: »

Just a quick one, as part of my planning conditions I need to get a telegraph pole removed.

I have put in the various ducting required and paid eircom to do a survey.

They came back with a bill of €6000, given that their poles are on my land, and a cause of breeching my planning permission, can I force eircom to move the pole?

I have no intention of paying eircom €6000 to remove a pole. I've contacted my solicitor regarding this point, but he has yet to get back to me on it.

As you are now engaged in the legal end of things Im sorry but we cant allow discussion on this point.

ninjaBob

No bother, I was actually just looking to see what other people do with eircom when it comes to moving poles. As I've seen others who get huge bills from them as well.

Feel free to delete, but I wasn't asking for legal advice but rather how others have handled eircom.

muffler

ninjaBob wrote: »

No bother, I was actually just looking to see what other people do with eircom when it comes to moving poles. As I've seen others who get huge bills from them as well.

Feel free to delete, but I wasn't asking for legal advice but rather how others have handled eircom.

Fair enough. Ill move the last couple of posts to a thread where you already have a comment

ninjaBob

Thanks

egorski

Hi All,

Its been awhile since I last visited this post....but I've been awhile getting my
problem sorted. To recap - I basically needed to move the Eircom connection
to the house and get a modern NTU fiited. Eircom wanted 300 euros unrefundable
deposit which I refused to pay. I got the details of an ex-Eircom person who
has set up his own company to do this type of thing (40 years in Eircom). He
did the job for 60 euros and covers South Dublin to Wexford. So - a saving
of at least 240 euros. Its taken almost 6 months for me to move my line but
its been worth not giving Eircom any more money! I can forward the details to anybody who wants.

Egorski

muffler

egorski wrote: »

Hi All,

Its been awhile since I last visited this post....but I've been awhile getting my
problem sorted. To recap - I basically needed to move the Eircom connection
to the house and get a modern NTU fiited. Eircom wanted 300 euros unrefundable
deposit which I refused to pay. I got the details of an ex-Eircom person who
has set up his own company to do this type of thing (40 years in Eircom). He
did the job for 60 euros and covers South Dublin to Wexford. So - a saving
of at least 240 euros. Its taken almost 6 months for me to move my line but
its been worth not giving Eircom any more money! I can forward the details to anybody who wants.

Egorski

Good for you

Teen

egorski wrote: »

Hi All,

Its been awhile since I last visited this post....but I've been awhile getting my
problem sorted. To recap - I basically needed to move the Eircom connection
to the house and get a modern NTU fiited. Eircom wanted 300 euros unrefundable
deposit which I refused to pay. I got the details of an ex-Eircom person who
has set up his own company to do this type of thing (40 years in Eircom). He
did the job for 60 euros and covers South Dublin to Wexford. So - a saving
of at least 240 euros. Its taken almost 6 months for me to move my line but
its been worth not giving Eircom any more money! I can forward the details to anybody who wants.

Egorski

Are there any companies like this who work in Cavan.

Teen

Hi All,

Its been awhile since I last visited this post....but I've been awhile getting my
problem sorted. To recap - I basically needed to move the Eircom connection
to the house and get a modern NTU fiited. Eircom wanted 300 euros unrefundable
deposit which I refused to pay. I got the details of an ex-Eircom person who
has set up his own company to do this type of thing (40 years in Eircom). He
did the job for 60 euros and covers South Dublin to Wexford. So - a saving
of at least 240 euros. Its taken almost 6 months for me to move my line but
its been worth not giving Eircom any more money! I can forward the details to anybody who wants.

Egorski

Are there any companies like this who work in Cavan. Can I get a contact number for these guys and maybe they can put me in touch with someone. I just dont have thousands to pay Eircom.

MsBob

Hi Egorski,

I have just seen your post. I am looking to have an eircom line put underground. Any chance I could get your guys number? Thanks