Reciever and broadband.

Terry

My friend wants to connect his broadband to a satellite reciever. I have no idea why he wants to do this or what way it will work.
Anyway, the problem is, he is on NTL broadband and needs a router.
Is there a router that will connect to the co-ax from NTL?

watty

No. He needs a WAN router (incorrectly called a Cable router by Argos). PC World, Argos, Komplett. Just like ADSL routers, except the ADSL socket is replaced by a WAN ethernet to connect to his cable modem.

There are roughly the same Router/WiFi/NAT etc models just with a variation in model number.

Just a short (or long) direct ethernet patch cord from cable Modem Ethernet to Router WAN Ethernet. If he has a USB only cable modem he will have to get NTL to change it on basis that his PC uses Ethernet and has only old slow USB1.1 (they probably won't change it simply to make it easy to add a router!) You might need to clone the PC's MAC address in the Router, or it might all work simply rebooting the modem. The WAN port should be DHCP not PPPoE in the router settings.

There ARE cable Routers (connect direct to coax) but NTL won't provision them and they are not generally available to end users.


I know of LOTS of reasons to connect a Satellite Receiver to Broadband, some perfectly legitimate and some horribly illegal. So let's not go there, except to say that people DO get caught and find very large sums of money and equipment confiscated for the illegal reasons.

mwrf

watty wrote:

I know of LOTS of reasons to connect a Satellite Receiver to Broadband, some perfectly legitimate and some horribly illegal. So let's not go there, except to say that people DO get caught and find very large sums of money and equipment confiscated for the illegal reasons.

Now im interested

talkingclock

watty wrote:

I know of LOTS of reasons to connect a Satellite Receiver to Broadband, some perfectly legitimate and some horribly illegal. So let's not go there, except to say that people DO get caught and find very large sums of money and equipment confiscated for the illegal reasons.

i'm curious now aswell. Only for the perfectly legitimate reasons, of course!

Terry

watty wrote:

No. He needs a WAN router (incorrectly called a Cable router by Argos). PC World, Argos, Komplett. Just like ADSL routers, except the ADSL socket is replaced by a WAN ethernet to connect to his cable modem.

There are roughly the same Router/WiFi/NAT etc models just with a variation in model number.

Just a short (or long) direct ethernet patch cord from cable Modem Ethernet to Router WAN Ethernet. If he has a USB only cable modem he will have to get NTL to change it on basis that his PC uses Ethernet and has only old slow USB1.1 (they probably won't change it simply to make it easy to add a router!) You might need to clone the PC's MAC address in the Router, or it might all work simply rebooting the modem. The WAN port should be DHCP not PPPoE in the router settings.

There ARE cable Routers (connect direct to coax) but NTL won't provision them and they are not generally available to end users.


I know of LOTS of reasons to connect a Satellite Receiver to Broadband, some perfectly legitimate and some horribly illegal. So let's not go there, except to say that people DO get caught and find very large sums of money and equipment confiscated for the illegal reasons.

I'm fairly sure everything he is doing is above board. He is a bit of a tv buff and has 3 recievers connected to 2 dishes.

He is willing to buy a router. He doesn't expect NTL to supply one.
As for looking for one on-line, that's a whole other story that is forcing me over to the broadband forum.
Thanks for the information. Much appreciated.

I'll probably be back to this thread in a couple of week, when he has bought the router, looking for more help.

watty

Argos is reasonable, you won't save much online, Komplett.ie next best bet from about 45 Euro

Legitimate things:
* Update onscreen EPG via Internet service
* Update satellite positions and transponder settings from Internet
* Setup VPN and stream TV (if VERY good broadband), or easier Radio channel to another loaction to watch. (doing this with Sky Subscription channels contravenes your contract T&C though).
* Automatic Firmware updates without PC (very few models).
* Remote control of recording via Internet
* Remote control generally (usually when streaming Radio/TV)

Er, don't anyone list the bad things, it will get deleted and the poster will be banned. I do know from a purely theoretical point of view what the illegal things are.

See the Foriegn Sat Charter for some ideas of what NOT to discuss.

Terry

€45?
sweet. The one I found last night while searching around was €170

Terry

Would this one do the job?
http://www.netopia.com/support/hardware/3347w.html
I have one of these lying around somewhere.

EDIT: never mind. The argos one will do.

watty

The netopia one is for ADSL. No use. It must be one WITHOUT ADSL. Ethernet WAN instead of ANY modem built in.

Argos calls them "Cable routers" (They arn't) pg 502..503.
675/0385
675/0392
675/0794 £59.79 Dlink
675/1786
675/0763 £74.99 Netgear
675/1786

Faster Wireless are less compatible and only give more speed if you have a matching WiFi card in Laptop or whatever.

If it has ADSL in the name, it won't work.
It is is really a Cable Router, then it has Coax in , won't connect to existing modem and NTL won't enable it.
OR cheaper online
With Wireless
http://www.komplett.ie/k/kl.asp?bn=10282

Cheaper without Wireless
http://www.komplett.ie/k/kl.asp?bn=10274


The Ethernet WAN routers will also work with an existing ADSL modem, Ripwave, Breeze, Digiweb Wireless (PPPoE), NTL/Chorus cable or Digiweb Metro.

On ADSL, the existing ADSL Modem, if a router must have any wireless disabled and set to "bridged". Then it looks a bit like a Cable Modem, except on the WAN port of the Ethernet Routers above you use PPPoE rather than ordinary DHCP.