toil versus overtime pay

alienhead

we don't get overtime pay, but we do get toil (time off in liu)

thing is, with overtime pay, people generaly get time and a half, especially if you've worked a saturday or sunday.

with toil, you only get the time you've worked off, 8 hours worked on a saturday is the same as 8 hours worked on a monday.

is this the case with any other's on here?

i think overtime toil should work the same as overtime pay, time and a half....... am i being unreasonable?

Mr. Presentable

alienhead wrote:

we don't get overtime pay, but we do get toil (time off in lieu)

i think overtime toil should work the same as overtime pay, time and a half....... am i being unreasonable?

Yes and no. The terms of your employment will dictate this. I work in the time and attendance industry and can tell you that TOIL is not that common in Ireland, and that I have never seen it given at rates of more than 1 for 1.

I agree it should be treated as OT would, ie 1.5 after/before normal work, and 2.0 weekends. Personally, unless it was a stipulation in my work contract, I wouldn't do the time.

alienhead

nipplenuts wrote:

Yes and no. The terms of your employment will dictate this. I work in the time and attendance industry and can tell you that TOIL is not that common in Ireland, and that I have never seen it given at rates of more than 1 for 1.

I agree it should be treated as OT would, ie 1.5 after/before normal work, and 2.0 weekends. Personally, unless it was a stipulation in my work contract, I wouldn't do the time.

well, it's one of those things, you don't actually have to do it........... but you kinda do.

it is a rip off that it's not double time or time and a half.

Salmon

At least with TOIL you dont have to give nearly half of the time back in tax! Think about it, if you do OT and get paid you have to pay a lot of tax on it if you are earning over the threshold!

Wishbone Ash

In my situation :

*Unscheluled O/T= double TOIL

*Scheduled Overtime=Time+50% or Time+Time (depending on day/night/weekend/Bank Hol etc.)

Strictly speaking, if you are getting TOIL then you are not working overtime as you are getting the time back and your working week can be averaged over several months.

alienhead

Salmon wrote:

At least with TOIL you dont have to give nearly half of the time back in tax! Think about it, if you do OT and get paid you have to pay a lot of tax on it if you are earning over the threshold!

fair enough point, 40% though.

markpb

In my job, overtime is unpaid, not even time off

I think the reason toil is less than pay is because of tax. It works out roughly the same.

Wishbone Ash

alienhead wrote:

thing is, with overtime pay, people generaly get time and a half, especially if you've worked a saturday or sunday

You may be confusing premium payments with overtime payments. Employees who work on a Saturday and/or Sunday as part of their 39 hour week are not working 'overtime'. They may though, be paid a premium payment which is not the same as overtime.

alienhead

Wishbone Ash wrote:

You may be confusing premium payments with overtime payments. Employees who work on a Saturday and/or Sunday as part of their 39 hour week are not working 'overtime'. They may though, be paid a premium payment which is not the same as overtime.

sorry, wasn't clear. toil is prety much the same as overtime, well here anyway.

hours worked after your 39 hours, like an extra 2 hours on a tuesday, you've 2 hours toil.

thing is, i'd equate 2 hours extra work on a saturday, to 4 hours on a weekday, just like overtime pay.