Should mocks tips be banned from here?

JC 2K3

I'd personally support amending the charter to prohibit people posting mocks tips here. Arguments about it being beneficial or not aside, it can be misleading as there's so many different mock papers and students are not supposed to know what's coming up in the first place.

Every second thread being about it gives a bad image to this board in my opinion.

Haven't a Clue

Doesn't really matter. They're different companies so I for one pay no attention to them as they're worthless...

Nehpets

short answer: no

Rozabeez

One thread. STICKIED.

All other threads, deleted?

Somebody merge them for the love of God.

bennyx_o

If people want to know what essentially could be on their mock paper, fair enough. Chances are they'll only study what they think will be on it which is a risk on itself. Only fooling themselves.

PurpleFistMixer

If they want to be stupid about it, sure let them. It gives the board a bad image, but sure it's a true image isn't it?

Mushy

Defiantely agree with ya OP. Havent even looked at one. I want the challenge of opening the paper and then realising "****, its too late too change now". Besides, the Mocks arent THAT important. If ya mess up, ya know what ya need to work on from here on in

glenroe2006

"Only fooling themselves" is such a pathetic argument. If people want to know what's coming up in the paper, then they want to know. They're not pretending that if they do well it's because they learnt the whole course off. I don't know where you get off asking should the tips be banned. If you don't want to look at them, don't look at them. There's no reason for them to be taken down. I can almost certainly tell you that not one person looking at them is under the illusion that these tips are going to help them in the real thing. Personally, all I want from the Mocks is a confidence boost. I want to do well, no matter what. I don't care if that's because of tips. Because I know if I'm optimistic, and I do my work in the next four months then I'll be rewarded in August.

Okay, I've got that off my chest now.

Haven't a Clue

No, they have a point regarding the mocks in 'you're only cheating yourself'. There's no actual importance to the tests except seeing what standard you're at in this present time, and suss out what's gonna happen come June. So it's a bit stupid cheating for a worthless exam.

Doesn't stop me doing it though...

JC 2K3

Rozabeez wrote:

One thread. STICKIED.

All other threads, deleted?

Somebody merge them for the love of God.

At the very least this should be done.

Spank

glenroe2006 wrote:

"Only fooling themselves" is such a pathetic argument. If people want to know what's coming up in the paper, then they want to know. They're not pretending that if they do well it's because they learnt the whole course off. I don't know where you get off asking should the tips be banned. If you don't want to look at them, don't look at them. There's no reason for them to be taken down. I can almost certainly tell you that not one person looking at them is under the illusion that these tips are going to help them in the real thing. Personally, all I want from the Mocks is a confidence boost. I want to do well, no matter what. I don't care if that's because of tips. Because I know if I'm optimistic, and I do my work in the next four months then I'll be rewarded in August.

Okay, I've got that off my chest now.

Totally agree.

Of course it can be misleading, and a nice lesson learned if you get a different paper. I'm only paying extra attention to the tips here, not relying my whole study on them. Granted there have been too many threads, but I don't see any harm in exchanging a few hints, most people in my school are doing it with their friends from other schools anyway.

geminilady

if ya dont want to see them dont look!

ninebeanrows

Well you seem to frequent this forum the most JC 2K3 and read the mock spoiler threads aswell.. So if your so concerned about the spoiler threads why don't you just stay away from them and not read them??

There there for people who want to use them, its understandable to look for a few tips on a paper, sure your teachers give you tips too and as i illustrated yesterday it can mean that you learn some off really well when otherwise you might of just scanned through it and not actually of learnt it.

If your so above us all just say out the threads and then you'll have no problem

Avapxia

I think it benefits, because for example if someone is going to fail a subject they may not even study at all, but if they get a tip of what is coming up it would encourage them to study. And even if the chapters/poems/etc didnt come up at least they know it really well.

gaeilgegrinds

Let's put it this way...given the number of papers (i.e.the number of tips) if someone was to study all the tips they would have quite a bit of study to do and would deserve to do well anyway! So let them give tips, just be warned, you might get a different mock paper!

AdMMM

JC 2K3 wrote:

I'd personally support amending the charter to prohibit people posting mocks tips here. Arguments about it being beneficial or not aside, it can be misleading as there's so many different mock papers and students are not supposed to know what's coming up in the first place.

Every second thread being about it gives a bad image to this board in my opinion.

I'd personally support having this thread moved to the recycle bin. If you don't support or condone any of the activities in a particular forum, take it to the Helpdesk or report the threads to the moderators.

Rozabeez

<sarcasm> Yes run along and complain about us before finding out how we feel on the matter first </sarcasm>

I've no problem with the tips 'cause everyone KNOWS not to rely on them, unless of course they are simply thick. However the amount of spam and pointless threads that have been created when the spoilers have already been given is just irritating.

Look at this place, every second thread is, "OMG MOCK SPOILERS", "Omg omg, history/physics tips" etc.

JC 2K3

^Yup, essentially what's prompted me to make this topic.

Whatever people's views on using tips, this forum should not be abused in this way.

Rozabeez

After the mocks it's just going to look sloppy (although it looks that way to me already.)

SLOPPY!

(JC_2K3, your sig is sloppy.)

cson

probably should be a stickied topic, have it all in one thread. That'd solve everything, and if you believe in the 'your only fooling yourself' mantra then stay away. One thing im not in favour of however is amending the charter to suit one persons agenda.

JC 2K3

cson wrote:

probably should be a stickied topic, have it all in one thread. That'd solve everything, and if you believe in the 'your only fooling yourself' mantra then stay away. One thing im not in favour of however is amending the charter to suit one persons agenda.

I put forward a suggestion, it's not "one person's agenda". I suppose I'd be content with one stickied topic, but I think the majority of regulars on here have no interest in mock tips. All these spammy mock tip topics have been started by newbies who never post here anyway.

cson

JC 2K3 wrote:

I'd personally support amending the charter to prohibit people posting mocks tips here. Arguments about it being beneficial or not aside, it can be misleading as there's so many different mock papers and students are not supposed to know what's coming up in the first place.

Every second thread being about it gives a bad image to this board in my opinion.

So you have no agenda against mock tips being posted here but you are in favour of amending the charter to ban mock tips on the basis of your beliefs. The thinking behind that is lost on me. Like i said, it should be a stickied topic for those who wish to use it. And also having a cut at newbies posting topics is out of line, they have as much right as you have to post here. Its a discussion board.

Rozabeez

It was a SUGGESTION! Just like your thread was a suggestion. If your thread worked out then it would technically be against the rules to post more mock threads anyway!

What the hell is wrong with you two? What are you disagreeing over? Why are you sniping at each other?

JC 2K3

You'll find on discussion boards on private websites that regulars have more authority than n00bs.

And I'm sure most of the charters on these boards are written based on someone's beliefs....

PurpleFistMixer

Didn't you hear? Newbies aren't real people.



This is a joke, before you get offended.

cson

ok lets just put the knives away and leave it at that.

ninebeanrows

JC 2K3 wrote:

You'll find on discussion boards on private websites that regulars have more authority than n00bs.

And I'm sure most of the charters on these boards are written based on someone's beliefs....

Well you've certainly supported your portrayal of the noble regular by terming some people who don't agree with you as n00bs..

The fact is that these Newbies should be respected as much as anyone else on the forum, and infact more so than other ignorant and arrogant posters

PurpleFistMixer

That's not nearly as fun. : p

JC 2K3

Who said anything about nobility?

ninebeanrows

:rolleyes: I really am not going to bother with you tbh... Your great and i hope you enjoy your 600 points

cson

we're slightly losing the point of this thread! (at good bit of it is down to the slanging match JC 2K3 and myself had), so the suggestion again is 'should mock tips be banned from the forum'.....

Personally I say no, but they should be converged into one (maybe stickied) thread, or at least have one thread per subject (a la the soccer forum with the Man U, liverpool etc chat threads).

That way those who want to indulge in sharing mock tips can.

And those who don't can just stay away from those threads.

Rozabeez

TBH it's hard to respect a newbie that join, leaves a "help help I'm screwed mock spoiler?" thread and then just leaves their thread to clutter up the place with no intention of returning. However, Weathercheck I agree with you that there should still be a level of respect at all times because a newbie is a potential regular, and I take it that's what you're saying too. It's just be nice if all the newbies could spell/avoid spamming.

angeldelight

People at leaving cert age, whether 17 or older should be responsible enough to choose to read these threads or not. I don't think it's up to any one person or group of people to decide for everyone. When I was doing the Leaving in 2004 I chose not to use the tips threads for my mocks, I wanted it to emulate the LC as much as possible. It worked, I got within 10 points of my actual LC result. However some people who are panicking are choosing to use the threads and if they want to, what harm does it do to anyone else?

Corruptedmorals

In some classes, we've been told what to study, and sometimes what is definitely coming up, because we haven't covered enough of the course to have options etc. etc. What's the difference between that and the 'whats coming up on such-and-such paper' on here? I know that most of my papers will be DEB, and 4/5 of them have been so far. Some of the hints here have gone hand in hand with the hints we've been given, so yes, I've studied them specifically. Not just them though, studying everything, but paying attention to them. Biology is a subject I am borderline failing, and will be killed if I do. My teacher is the worst ever, so yes, I am going to make use of the tips on it here, and not feel guilty about it. In a subject like that, I can't revise the whole course in time for the mock.

I am panicking. I need to get somewhere in the region of the points I need. I KNOW that the tip threads are only relating to the DEB papers, but no harm in taking note of it, if I pretty much know it's my paper that's being discussed. I KNOW it won't help for June, but I have time to study for that.

The people who are all 'it won't help', 'who are you fooling?' etc. are the people who are NOT panicking/geniuses anyway/don't need high points.

Rozabeez

Well that's all fine and dandy if they're helping you CM, but do you enjoy logging in here and seeing a repetitive clutter of threads with the same information over and over again?

marco murphy

You dont need to look at the tips if you dont want to, no point banning em

cson

lets just clear it up by saying....

If you have a mocks hint/tip or want one, keep it to (preferably one) a thread thats already there, and DON'T create a new one!

Rozabeez

/me applauds the above post. Respect plus 5.

Corruptedmorals

Rozabeez wrote:

Well that's all fine and dandy if they're helping you CM, but do you enjoy logging in here and seeing a repetitive clutter of threads with the same information over and over again?

I can't merge them. Who is the mod here anyway?

Nehpets

geminilady wrote:

if ya dont want to see them dont look!

I agree.

Merging them into one topic that's a sticky seems like a good idea, but it would create more problems.

1) Adding to the long sticky list. It would be the 8th topic to be stickified.
2) New people who overlook stickies (who checks all the pointlss stickies before posting?) and then you'll have narks (I like that word ) complaining non-stop.
3) The sticky topic would be a mess. It would be confusing.
4) People wouldn't get what they want.

This forum is the "Leaving Cert" forum for Boards.ie. What is it meant to be about? The Leaving Cert. *Shock, horror*. The Mocks are part of the leaving and so people should be allowed to talk about them.

Oh and the way a message board works is that good topics will get replied to and therefore stay on top while bad topics won't get the replies and will sink so you don't have to bother with them.

I think some people here are just aiming for future mods. How could a few annoying threads offend you so much? It's ridiculous. Go outside more or something!:p

cson

I think the issue here is with the amount of mock hints threads being created. Like i've said before i think a stickied topic perhaps would help the situation, and of course, if people want to take about whats on their mock papers they can (i mean i wanna know whats coming up in mine too). Like you said with the popularity thing, i think one subject a thread would maybe help too.

Nehpets

One thread per subject would be ideal but it's not gonna happen unless the mod constantly merges the new threads into existing threads and even then people won't know where their threads went.

Stupid people

cson

yep its complicated, but anything would be an improvement. Seriously how can you expect any semblance of thought in a thread with "history, french and irish mock tips please" >> thats three subjects X the no. of papers in each X everyones hint/tip on it.............. it just gets very messy and uncoodinated and these threads keep cropping up cluttering up the board, that is why i think JC 2K3 set up this thread

ZorbaTehZ

I'd rather have one messed up thread than one whole messed up forum tbh.

Anyways the sticky about the mocks needn't necessarily be "messy and uncoordinated". Maybe a mod could make a thread "All mocks tips in HERE", amend the charter and in the first post make a template that all people can use to post there tips/info. in a similiar format e.g Subject, Level, Paper etc. that way we could have a nice cool thread for it and everyone can be happy.

And best put it in UPPER CASE so nubs don't miss it.