Nut flush, double paired board - bet or check

Lazare

Fitz 50 holdem

CO is bad, pretty loose (post flop), playing ATC.
Button is a nit, but will have a wide enough limping range in this position.

7 limpers, I complete SB with Ac7c.
Flop is 8c10c4h, I bet €12, folded to CO and button who both call.
turn is 8d, I check to CO who leads for €30, button calls, I call.
River is 4c.

Action?

RasTa

Check/fold even with 1 in the hand. In the fitz though....

phantom_lord

c/f

sikes

fold the turn, if the river is anyother club, your going to find it difficult to get paid by a hand that doesnt beat you anyway, and the one that comes is awful so check now. you would need a pretty good read to make a call on the end

Lazare

sikes wrote:

fold the turn, if the river is anyother club, your going to find it difficult to get paid by a hand that doesnt beat you anyway, and the one that comes is awful so check now. you would need a pretty good read to make a call on the end

I called the turn because I put the CO on an 8 and the button on the draw, and felt I would get paid off both if any other club hit, the CO wouldn't be capable of laying down trips.

phantom_lord

Lazare wrote:

I called the turn because I put the CO on an 8 and the button on the draw, and felt I would get paid off both if a friendly club hit, the CO wouldn't be capable of laying down trips.

if you think he has an 8 than this is a pretty easy c/f?

Lazare

phantom_lord wrote:

if you think he has an 8 than this is a pretty easy c/f?

True, but it's not a concrete read, he's still capable of holding anything. A c/f is the correct play regardless I suppose.

phantom_lord

Lazare wrote:

True, but it's not a concrete read, he's still capable of holding anything. A c/f is the correct play regardless I suppose.

since it's the two lower cards that have paired check calling a small bet wouldn't be too outta line, loose co could have j9 or k/q/j10 and the button something similiar. read dependent i guess, i wouldn't bet it anyway.

sikes

Lazare wrote:

I called the turn because I put the CO on an 8 and the button on the draw, and felt I would get paid off both if any other club hit, the CO wouldn't be capable of laying down trips.

this play is defo -EV.

you will get paid by the other guy who is on a draw if he hits at the same time as us, there is one card Qc, if he is on a straight. If has got clubs too, we have 6 cards to draw too at best.

Say a club falls that doesnt pair the board again. do you really think the nit is stacking off with the non nut flush on a paired board when your hand is pretty transparent? How about the CO pushes all in, do we call?

Lazare

sikes wrote:

this play is defo -EV.

you will get paid by the other guy who is on a draw if he hits at the same time as us, there is one card Qc, if he is on a straight. If has got clubs too, we have 6 cards to draw too at best.

Say a club falls that doesnt pair the board again. do you really think the nit is stacking off with the non nut flush on a paired board when your hand is pretty transparent? How about the CO pushes all in, do we call?

Good points, you're right, my turn call was bad.