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what could he have?

  • 10-02-2007 4:27pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭


    not at the table too long, only hand shown down was a win at with KJs where I raised to 20pf.

    no real info on villain. on previous round he called a flop (60) raise of 50 from sb with 457 on flop. Folded to turn (10) bet of 90.

    You Only Live Twice
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Hand Start.
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Seat 1 : DatDark has $127.75
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Seat 2 : jimmbling has $664.50
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Seat 3 : lati has $494.62
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Seat 4 : Turkish711 has $436.25
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Seat 5 : borngambler has $145.75
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : Seat 6 : -Lucky7- has $296
    [Feb 10 16:18:02] : jimmbling is the dealer.
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : lati posted small blind.
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Turkish711 posted big blind.
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Game [147865] started with 6 players.
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Dealing Hole Cards.
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Seat 2 : jimmbling has Qc Qd
    [Feb 10 16:18:06] : borngambler folded.
    [Feb 10 16:18:08] : -Lucky7- folded.
    [Feb 10 16:18:10] : DatDark called $4
    [Feb 10 16:18:13] : jimmbling called $4 and raised $16
    [Feb 10 16:18:15] : lati called $18
    [Feb 10 16:18:16] : Turkish711 folded.
    [Feb 10 16:18:22] : DatDark called $16
    [Feb 10 16:18:22] : Dealing flop.
    [Feb 10 16:18:22] : Board cards
    [Feb 10 16:18:25] : lati checked.
    [Feb 10 16:18:30] : DatDark checked.
    [Feb 10 16:18:35] : jimmbling bet $40
    [Feb 10 16:18:38] : lati called $40
    [Feb 10 16:18:43] : DatDark folded.
    [Feb 10 16:18:44] : Dealing turn.
    [Feb 10 16:18:44] : Board cards
    [Feb 10 16:18:47] : lati checked.
    [Feb 10 16:18:54] : jimmbling bet $90
    [Feb 10 16:18:56] : lati called $90
    [Feb 10 16:18:57] : Dealing river.
    [Feb 10 16:18:57] : Board cards
    [Feb 10 16:19:02] : lati bet $344.62 and is All-in

    What can you put him on ??????

    EDIT:
    Call or Fold????


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭HiCloy


    Most likely a lower set, probably 10s, or a badly slowplayed AA/KK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    j9


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭HiCloy


    valor wrote:
    j9

    Does he call a raise preflop with J9 from the small blind?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭bops


    HiCloy wrote:
    Most likely a lower set, probably 10s, or a badly slowplayed AA/KK

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    a4d


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    a4d
    :eek: :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Id say either AQ of Diamonds or AT of diamonds, i cant see him pushing all in on flush board with Set as he would be more likely to re-raise all in the turn when you bet 90 with a set if he was trying to protect against the flush.

    With no reads this would be a very hard decision, your ahead of alot of hands but they way it is played out a flush looks more likely so i would say a fold....only just


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    dvdfan wrote:
    Id say either AQ of Diamonds or AT of diamonds
    nice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    Im guessing KJd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭Goodluck2me


    dvdfan wrote:
    Id say either AQ of Diamonds or AT of diamonds, i cant see him pushing all in on flush board with Set as he would be more likely to re-raise all in the turn when you bet 90 with a set if he was trying to protect against the flush.

    With no reads this would be a very hard decision, your ahead of alot of hands but they way it is played out a flush looks more likely so i would say a fold....only just
    so he has 2 ten of Diamonds? AQd fair enough, or lower set.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    dvdfan wrote:
    Id say either AQ of Diamonds or AT of diamonds, i cant see him pushing all in on flush board with Set as he would be more likely to re-raise all in the turn when you bet 90 with a set if he was trying to protect against the flush.

    With no reads this would be a very hard decision, your ahead of alot of hands but they way it is played out a flush looks more likely so i would say a fold....only just


    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Seat 2 : jimmbling has Qc Qd
    [Feb 10 16:18:22] : Board cards


    Nice work Sherlock Holmes ;-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    This is J9 a lot, but its so hard to even think about folding top set.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,440 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    fuzzbox wrote:
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Seat 2 : jimmbling has Qc Qd
    [Feb 10 16:18:22] : Board cards


    Nice work Sherlock Holmes ;-)

    Well it was after 1am in my defence:o :o I still feel its a flush and not a set.

    If the villain hit hes set on the flop or turn and put jimbling on a flush draw surely the turn is a check/raise and hes surely not going to chase jimbling away on the river when he hit and hed be donating hes money.

    If the villain hit he set on the flop or turn and didnt put jimbling on a flush draw, what hands do you think the villain taught jimbling would call that all in with on the river that the villain beats. If villain has bottom set the only hands i can see jimbling calling with are flush, straight or middle(maybe) or top set(maybe) all of which beat him. If he has a set of 10's the only hands hes beating thats somewhat likely to call is set of 6's or 4's.

    If villain has flush or straight (Straight is less likely giving the he called a raise preflop) he would be putting jimbling on a good hand maybe a set which he thinks jimbling might find hard to put down.

    Im struggling to see what 2 suited cards he might have that he would call a raise with preflop but if he was the type to call with any 2 suited why would he call that flop bet with just 1 diamond so the only hand i can put him on is KJd or less likely A4d.

    Im trying to get into the habit of trying to think what hands my opponent might be on so this thread is very helpful as it gets me thinking so id be happy to hear opinions if my taughts are flawed. After my first disastrous fcuk up of a read i hope this is alot closer:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    AQd fair enough

    ORLY?
    [Feb 10 16:18:03] : Seat 2 : jimmbling has Qc Qd
    [Feb 10 16:18:22] : Board cards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    You have top set. He could just be bluffing the diamonds. You can never fold...right?


    Do you think you are ahead often enough to make a call profitable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭TacT


    oh dear, it's lati, he probably has J9 but I'd have to call since he could have any two here and will call any two for a raise, he's such a stark raving lunatic at the tables.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    TacT wrote:
    oh dear, it's lati, he probably has J9 but I'd have to call since he could have any two here and will call any two for a raise, he's such a stark raving lunatic at the tables.

    i really had nothing on this player, dont recall playing with him much (and dont have my pt running on this comp yet).... so I didnt have this info.
    what do you think you'd do without any info?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭Sparky1808


    Very harsh river, Jx 9x beats you ...as well as the flush.

    ...and it is possible he might have called $20 preflop with J9s.

    It is also possible he has KJd or A10d and once he sees the turn I would dare say it would be hard to move him away from the pot.

    I'm curious to see what the outcome of this hand was...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    It was very difficult decision. I had put him on either two pair or a draw. I bet the 90 on the turn trying to tease a big re-raise from him. Hadn’t seen much, but he seemed to be that sort of player. When he flat called I knew it must be the draw, most likely KJ. When the 8d fell I was still pretty confident I was ahead - did not put him on J9. But the all-in changed that..... I couldn't see past the flush, KdJd been the most likely. As the timer ran down I had this hallow feeling in the pit of my stomach......but I grudgingly called. He showed KdJd.

    I think it was very poor call on my behalf and was very pissed at myself for the rest of the day.
    I think too often people call these and lose. It seems to be the thing to do of late. Overbet when you hit an unlikely draw….scream “I’m Bluffing” and hope he believes you. (although I tried that in the 20k last night when I was bluffing…. He didn’t believe me :D )

    PS: Nice call ianmc, and followed up by some logical thought to get there by dvdfan.


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