Folded around, AK from SB in MTT

kpnuts

Modest raise?
Large raise?
What about just open shoving?
Or maybe just complete to trap?

Blinds 1000/2000 with Running Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em -
Average stack in tournament is 48,000

Seat 1: (29,374)
Seat 2: (26,819)
Seat 3: (55,517)
Seat 4: (67,847)
Seat 5: (33,190)
Seat 6: Hero in Small Blind (62,045)
Seat 7: Big Blind (34,954)
Seat 8: (34,150)
Seat 9: (58,369)

Seat 1 antes 250
Seat 2 antes 250
Seat 3 antes 250
Seat 4 antes 250
Seat 5 antes 250
Hero antes 250
Big Blind antes 250
Seat 8 antes 250
Seat 9 antes 250
Hero posts the small blind of 1,000
Seat 7 posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero in Small Blind: AKo

Seat 8 folds
Seat 9 folds
Seat 1 folds
Seat 2 folds
Seat 3 folds
Seat 4 folds
Seat 5 folds
Hero in Small Blind (holding AKo): ?????????????

Jimmy Hoffa

What are u afraid off he will play back at you.A raise is required 4times bb or even apush in case u miss flop continuation bet and get reraised.So **** it push all in.

cardshark202

Generally just raise to like 4 bbs.

Daithio

Yeah I think on the large side of a standard raise is best. You want action off weaker aces/ resteals. If the player is REALLY aggro, and I'm fairly certain he'll raise if I limp then I might limp. But I'd have to be fairly certain. I don't like open shoving. You only get premium hands so often, and at this stage of a tourney you want action with them.

DapperGent

Raise to 3BB or 4BB normally. Sometimes open shove, I think you get action from a lot of worse aces with an open shove so I don't think it's at all bad particularily if you've been aggro to this point. I would never just complete.

Gus Ivey

yeah defintly a large raise, AK is an over rated hand especially out of position. Raise to 4 or 5 times the BB and be happy with whats in there. He even might make a play and go over the top but you would probobly be ahead

Hitman Actual

Any history between you two? Surely that has a huge bearing in this situation. Open-shove is pretty bad unless you hope he'll call you with any Ace.

This guys stack size is a bit of a problem as well at 17BBs. I think a raise to about 10K total is good to deny him decent odds with the antes in there, but I hate it if he just calls. I doubt he will just call though, so for me it's a raise to ~10K, calling any shove obviously.

Edit: Re flat-calling, if I think he'll push if I flat call, then I like that too. And he may do that with his stack size. But if he just checks along, then this is tricky enough on the flop: you'll miss 2/3s of the time, and he may push any two on the flop. So I think a decent raise is good, hoping to pick up the 5K in the pot, or potentially getting it AI.

The C Kid

I limp here alot. Probably raise 33%, limp 66%. Player dependant.

A normal raise pretty much commits you to calling a jam in his mind regardless of your holding given what the pot will be offering you therefore his calling/jamming range is going to be pretty standard.

His awkward stack sizes means he's probably going to be raising/pushing a big range of hands most of which you crush. If you complete there's a 1/5th of his stack in there pre, and he's going to be looking to take this down. Most online tourny players go nuts here with K7+.

You have enough chips to afford to get tricky here. The risk reward is huge imo. An extra 5k is helpful but not huge, however stacking him would allow you to have a very dominant position on the table, and I know you know how to use that Ken

RoundTower

The C Kid wrote:

A normal raise pretty much commits you to calling a jam in his mind regardless of your holding given what the pot will be offering you therefore his calling/jamming range is going to be pretty standard.

His awkward stack sizes means he's probably going to be raising/pushing a big range of hands most of which you crush. If you complete there's a 1/5th of his stack in there pre

he has 17BB, no way he thinks a raise commits you to the pot. I would make it 8k unless there was some special reason to do something else.

lolkelly

Shoving here is a crazy move imo.........if you did it shows that you are uncomfortable/pretty bad with your post flop play. I limp here occassionaly, depending on my opponents opinion of me. In general though i raise 90% of the time!

valor

Just raise, not complicated

Hitman Actual

valor wrote:

Just raise, not complicated

Against every opponent, every single time?

Rnger

lenny_leonard wrote:

Against every opponent, every single time?

unless he was particularly aggresive, yes.

you cant let your opponent see a flop cheaply when you almost definetly have the best hand.

Hitman Actual

Rnger wrote:

unless he was particularly aggresive, yes.

you cant let your opponent see a flop cheaply when you almost definetly have the best hand.

That's my point. It's not necessarily a raise everytime so. Four-word all-encompassing answers irritate the bollix out of me.

DeadParrot

generalizing is always bad

sikes

DeadParrot wrote:

generalizing is always bad

lol

Rnger

DeadParrot wrote:

generalizing is always bad

i love it

Goodluck2me

DeadParrot wrote:

generalizing is always bad

only sometimes it is.

ocallagh

I hate AK from SB. So you raise to 8k and the fooker calls. Do you push any flop? If so why not just push pre-flop?

RoundTower

because this way you win 4 times as much when he calls and folds flop, you probably have outs if he calls, and if you both hit top pair (maybe any pair) you win his stack. Plus you don't have to push any flop, but I bet it's profitable.

valor

with the given info, yes raise everytime

ocallagh

RoundTower wrote:

because this way you win 4 times as much when he calls and folds flop, you probably have outs if he calls, and if you both hit top pair (maybe any pair) you win his stack. Plus you don't have to push any flop, but I bet it's profitable.

But if he calls 8k (1/4 his stack) preflop surely he'll call for his stack enough times to make it more profitable to push?

RoundTower

well it depends on the opponent, if you are playing in the Fitz you will find lots of players who will happily call you with 98s or 44 preflop and fold unless they flop top pair+ or a draw, but they will fold these hands (however reluctantly) preflop.

edit (this seems like the best place to add this): against a different player, if you raise to 8000 he will shove with a wide range, including a lot of hands you dominate, that he may fold to a push.

charlesanto

kpnuts wrote:

Modest raise?
Large raise?
What about just open shoving?
Or maybe just complete to trap?

Blinds 1000/2000 with Running Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em -
Average stack in tournament is 48,000



*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero in Small Blind: AKo

Seat 8 folds
Seat 9 folds
Seat 1 folds
Seat 2 folds
Seat 3 folds
Seat 4 folds
Seat 5 folds
Hero in Small Blind (holding AKo): ?????????????

Completing is the best line...

You want K rag and A rag in the pot so that when you hit you'll get paid !!!
A nominal raise of 3 or 4 BB's will encourage A rag and K rag to fold. The most likely hands you get called by are PP's which you are behind !

phantom_lord

pretty simple raise.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

just as well I went for 3 then.

RoundTower

I don't think anyone should have to justify advocating making a "normal" raise in this situation, if you want to advocate something less conventional like limping or minraising or shoving or open folding then make a sensible argument and see if there is any potential for discussion.

sikes

charlesanto wrote:

Completing is the best line...

You want K rag and A rag in the pot so that when you hit you'll get paid !!!
A nominal raise of 3 or 4 BB's will encourage A rag and K rag to fold. The most likely hands you get called by are PP's which you are behind !

This destroys our image and gives our raises very little credit.

By raising we may get some better hands to fold preflop, 22-55 maybe, we build the pot for when he has a A or strong K and he hits with us. As a result, our bets on all subsequent streets are a lot larger.

If we follow through on a missed flop we can still push them off other hands that beat us.

Also if he raises preflop, are we going to repop him? or fold? I wouldnt consider a call a viable option.

bohsman

I make a standard raise unless Im fairly certain the bb is going to raise, then I limp reraise with any ace.

Gholimoli

if i see a small blind just completing when its folded to him i usually see this as very weak and raise them ,also i expect any semi decent player to raise when its folded to them on the SB or just fold it(raise most of the time) ,as a result my reraising range on BB would be much wider than usual .
what im trying to say is it depends on the opponent,if you think he is decent and capable i suppose you can limp reraise,or just raise hoping he sees it as a steal.i personally rather a raise though often.

Camone

I think u shud maybe just flat call and if he takes the initiative to raise (which he may well do thinking ur weak) pop him all-in. If u do put in a big raise and its called and u miss ur flop, u could get into a bit of trouble, especially being 1st to act.

a-k-47

luckyvegas7 has Kd 2d 4s 5s
[Feb 12 14:18:42] : Alainniala called $4 and raised $10
[Feb 12 14:18:47] : KLYPA folded.
[Feb 12 14:18:51] : tokyodolly folded.
[Feb 12 14:18:53] : newyingwah8 folded.
[Feb 12 14:18:56] : E621 folded.
[Feb 12 14:18:58] : luckyvegas7 called $10
[Feb 12 14:18:59] : Dealing flop.
[Feb 12 14:18:59] : Board cards [4d 7s Qd]
[Feb 12 14:19:01] : luckyvegas7 bet $25 and is All-in
[Feb 12 14:19:03] : Alainniala called $25
[Feb 12 14:19:03] : Showdown!
[Feb 12 14:19:03] : Seat 3 : luckyvegas7 has Kd 2d 4s 5s
[Feb 12 14:19:05] : Seat 3 : luckyvegas7 has Kd 2d 4s 5s
[Feb 12 14:19:05] : Seat 4 : Alainniala has 3s 9d Ks Ad
[Feb 12 14:19:11] : Board cards [4d 7s Qd 3c Jh]
[Feb 12 14:19:11] : Seat 3 : luckyvegas7 has Kd 2d 4s 5s
[Feb 12 14:19:11] : luckyvegas7 has Pair: 4s
[Feb 12 14:19:11] : Seat 4 : Alainniala has 3s 9d Ks Ad
[Feb 12 14:19:11] : Alainniala has Pair: 3s
[Feb 12 14:19:11] : luckyvegas7 wins $77 with Pair: 4s
[Feb 12 14:19:13] : luckyvegas7 : lol
[Feb 12 14:19:19] : luckyvegas7 : pair 4s
[Feb 12 14:19:21] : Hand is over.

a147pro

Usually later on in MTTs you've less chips relative to the blinds than you have here. I think here you can afford a 4-8 BB raise to take it down nice and easy. If its called and you dont hit, good luck with the continuation bet cos often if he hits bottom pair he'll put you on a steal and push.

Usually late on I push here with A10+ and almost always with AK, unless theres a loose aggressive player on BB and I'm happy to gamble with him when he pushes (other days if I feel less confident I pre-empt him and satisfy myself with the blinds). At that stage the dynamic of the game is preflop, with most hands folding to a raise and the only flops coming out when someone is all in. The blinds are large, maybe at least 10% of the decent stacks, and blind fights are the norm. Many players will push with any blackjack or pair to a SB limp or small raise. Again many players will push any draw or small pair. Don't give them the opportunity to see that draw or pair, push while youre ahead and take the blinds.

By analogy I exited two 300+ player MTTs after the bubble recently both times with A10 in blind fights. Once I flatcalled a minraise from BB, the other I limped from SB. Both times I lost cos the guy bet or reraised a draw on the flop and we were both committed. Both times he had pure muck before hand and would have folded and both times I would have been content with the blinds after exiting. Schnarlie.

AK is a premium hand, but only really when against someone else betting an A or K aggressively. It pays cos of people overplaying blackjack hands and Aq AJ in particular. Otherwise youre 60-40. Late on push the 60 40 and the same guys who overplay the blackjack hands will prob still call you anyway.