hand analyis and opinions on play?

DFIS4

Hi,
Well this is my 1st ever post, i'm looking forward to the analysis (go easy!)

1st question: Did I play this hand well?


live MTT, early on 2nd level,
blinds: 50/100
avg stack: 3500 (approx)
Table: 7 players


Hero 2450 chips on c/o
Villain 6000 (approx) on button

blinds are 50 and 100

pre-flop

Hero gets Ah 8c

2 limpers in mp

Hero raises to 400
Villain calls
everyone else folds

flop comes down

6s 9s 6d

Hero bets 600
Villain calls 600 (thinks for a while b4 calling, no acting. I felt he had A 9 at very best, but more likely missed the flop with 2 over cards, he plays fairly solid, had yet to see him raise or call a large bet with anything lower than A 9)

turn

10c

I push with 1450 left in chips

he again thinks for a very long time, keeps talking to me for information. I was a bit uncomfortable with his constant chit chat with me and the lads on the table about possibe hands I have!

Eventually he calls with As 10s

river

Qs

So were the bets (and amounts) I made correct in this situation? If not how would you have played it differently?

2nd Question:

How do you guys (with all the more experience than me on boards!) deal with players who constantly look at you and talk and talk and say to you:"do you have tp tk", "did you hit your set", "are u bluffing"??


sorry for the long thread!

Mr.Plough

hate the pf raise


id limp at best with ace rag, so early on the blinds arnt worth stealing.


but as played you represented the overpair well, just unfortunate that he hit his 10, more so that he called aswell.

sikes

Mr.Plough wrote:

hate the pf raise

the raise is a very good idea here, but the size was a bit too small.

Mr.Plough wrote:

id limp at best with ace rag, so early on the blinds arnt worth stealing.

theres 350 in the pot already, even without the limpers in the pot, the blinds are certainly worth stealing.

you made the right plays, but i think the bet size preflop should be bigger.

phantom_lord

yeah, i agree with sikes.

5starpool

I don't know what took him so long to call on the turn.

I suppose the best thing about the hand is that you followed up on your bluff. As said, if you are going to raise preflop, make it a reasonable raise. About 550 would probably have been a better bet size there I think with 2 limpers already in the pot.

As for your second question, the best thing is to pick a spot on the table and stare at it, not responding to any questions if you are not comfortable. Do this regardless of whether you want a caller or not.

jimbling

what position are you? From the post it looks like your straight after the two early limpers, so mp?
Fold PreFlop.

If you do think its worth the raise, i.e. that you will get a lot of respect from the players left to act, then raise more... prob to 600.
Then if called there is enough in the pot to just push no matter what the flop.


The way you should think about this is that your hand isnt worth crap here, so if you arent willing to make this move with 67s I wouldn't do it with A8. If fact, I would prefer to do it with 67s.

Goodluck2me

i dont like how you have played the hand here, what is your plan on an Ace high flop? you are out of position with a terrible hand, fold pf. i dont mind a limp with it in late position but and EP raise opens you up to re-raises and playing the hand OOP/

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

Goodluck2me

answer ever question, with a question.

Have you got top pair?Do you beat top pair?
Do you want a caller? Do you want to call?

also only answer these if you are bluffing, never ask questions when you have a hand as otherwise it will scare people off.

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Thats really bad advice Joe. If you are new to live play and in anyway uncomfortable you shouldn't engage in any dialogue whatsoever. And you should do the same things whether you are bluffing or not.

sarcasmometer temporarily broken?? i thought it was apparent... my bad.

Hitman Actual

sikes wrote:

the raise is a very good idea here, but the size was a bit too small.

I disagree here; the OP is playing off 25BBs so raising with this sort of hand is just burning up chips. Especially in a loose game, and from the tone of the post I have a feeling it is.

To the OP, were the other players discussing your hand, or was it just the villain trying to gain info off you? If the former, don't let players discuss your hand while the hand is ongoing. It's not allowed, plain and simple.

If you're worried about giving away tells, headphones can help. Whenever you're in a situation like this, just tune out of the table and concentrate on your music. Do the same whether you want a call or not. And use the usual 'pick a spot on the table stare at it' line. This can work as well. If you're worried about giving out info, NEVER say anything, for both good hands and bad.

LuckyLloyd

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sikes

lenny_leonard wrote:

I disagree here; the OP is playing off 25BBs so raising with this sort of hand is just burning up chips. Especially in a loose game, and from the tone of the post I have a feeling it is.

without knowing table dyanmics or anything like that this is a fairly standard raise. the original limpers folded so i assume the game is playing tight. its nice we have an ace but thats not the reason for doing it, if i think the situation is right i will raise with any two.

its a pretty good spot to raise, esp when 7 handed. Limpers are so weak, esp the second one. you have to pounce on this and if you dont you are losing out on so much $$. Dont do it all the time though, join the limping brigade with hands that play well multiway, if you want to mix it up a bit.

we take it down preflop most of the time.

Hitman Actual

The games I'm thinking about (e.g. Fitz scalps), I don't think you take this down preflop often enough in the early levels, tbh. But I do see where you're coming from, sikes.

DFIS4

Quote:
Originally Posted by lenny_leonard
"To the OP, were the other players discussing your hand, or was it just the villain trying to gain info off you? If the former, don't let players discuss your hand while the hand is ongoing. It's not allowed, plain and simple."


first thanks to all for the feedback!

Villian trying to gain info off me on flop and turn. But on the turn 1 other lad passed a quick comment "just call, you have loads of chips". Unfortunately as this was my 1st time playing this particular live tournament, alot of guys on the table happen to know each other.

My table image was that I only played solid starting hands, as any hands preiviously shown down I won, eg AK in mp, 77 button (hit set) etc. But i also mixed it up a bit with a couple of raises in late position with hand like 89s, J10s, and of course A8!!

DITTag

I am the villian in this hand.

First thing is I shouldn't have been in that pot in the 1st place. Maybe a rush of blood or something.

On the flop I was trying to find out if you had a pair. I was so closing to pushing but decided to call(Terrible move). Also if I did push knowing the standard at that tourney some players would call with AK AQ or AJ.

On the turn after I hit my 10 there was still a chance that you could of had an over pair. I was not discussing your possible hand with other players, I was just trying to get info. I knew one player at that table and that was your BBs Button. I didnt hear that comment that was passed by this other lad and if I did it wouldn't influence my decision. I did infact sense weakness which led me to call.

Anyway WP and Dom's(5starpool) and Lloyd,s advise is brillant you should really use it.

Hope to see you there next Thursday.

cooker3

DFIS4 wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by lenny_leonard
"To the OP, were the other players discussing your hand, or was it just the villain trying to gain info off you? If the former, don't let players discuss your hand while the hand is ongoing. It's not allowed, plain and simple."


first thanks to all for the feedback!

Villian trying to gain info off me on flop and turn. But on the turn 1 other lad passed a quick comment "just call, you have loads of chips". Unfortunately as this was my 1st time playing this particular live tournament, alot of guys on the table happen to know each other.

I assume this was the Jackpot 20 game then. Whoever said that should shut the hell up and should be told so quick. That kind of crap is not on.