Refused from a live NLH cash game - What's the ruling?

Flipper

Never in my life have I come across this before and as it was quiet embarrasing, I hope I don't again. I travelled to Clonmel with the promise of Bellagio-like cash games and burly farmers with wads of €500 notes. All looked as promised and the infamous "Fred", the English super-fish was sitting pretty in seat 2 of the 25-50 NLH game. I went to take my seat in the game (with consisted of just a "local", Fred and Rob Taylor). Just as I was about to take my seat, the "Local", who can only be discribed as a big arrogent bully, said that if I sat down, he was leaving. Of course, the fish that he was becoming super-friendly also said he'd leave if "the Local" did. I just looked at Rob and started laughing! "Are you serious?" I asked. He made out that he just didn't like me and didn't want to play with me. It's pretty clear that he's afraid that I'd skin both him and more importantly, his buddy before he got a chance. I was forced to get up and leave the game. What the ruling on this?

PS: Rob will verify my story!

ianmc38

Flipper wrote:

Never in my life have I come across this before and as it was quiet embarrasing, I hope I don't again. I travelled to Clonmel with the promise of Bellagio-like cash games and burly farmers with wads of €500 notes. All looked as promised and the infamous "Fred", the English super-fish was sitting pretty in seat 2 of the 25-50 NLH game. I went to take my seat in the game (with consisted of just a "local", Fred and Rob Taylor). Just as I was about to take my seat, the "Local", who can only be discribed as a big arrogent bully, said that if I sat down, he was leaving. Of course, the fish that he was becoming super-friendly also said he'd leave if "the Local" did. I just looked at Rob and started laughing! "Are you serious?" I asked. He made out that he just didn't like me and didn't want to play with me. It's pretty clear that he's afraid that I'd skin both him and more importantly, his buddy before he got a chance. I was forced to get up and leave the game. What the ruling on this?

PS: Rob will verify my story!

Don't get angry. Get stabby.

It's the most ridiculous ruling I've ever heard. Game should have been stopped.

careca

Well there can't be an official ruling as a player can get up and leave whenever they like.

I would have reraised him and said if he got up, you would follow him to every game he sat at for the next four days. So its either no poker, or poker with you.

LuckyLloyd

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Marq

careca wrote:

I would have reraised him and said if he got up, you would follow him to every game he sat at for the next four days. So its either no poker, or poker with you.

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Astonishingly bad form if the organisers allowed this, but nothing much you can do at an annual festival.

bops

call their bluff and sit - if they leave fk em!!

you shouldn't feel embarrassed here flipper, wtf did you do wrong? - besides making some clown sh*t his pants.

something came up yesterday and I couldn't make it down but will try and head down later - especially to see this kinda shi*e

nicnicnic

hmmmmm me knows there's a little more going on here then OPs interpretation.


edit the local took 25k in the game in the end so you were probably better off out of it if was running that good the english gentleman broke even so someones hurting this morning (not rob he didn't play for wrong)

Fatboydim

See it as a compliment and move on. Very rude of them and annoying for you but at least you have bragging rights over Rob. As clearly they thought he was no threat at all

Ste05

careca wrote:

I would have reraised him and said if he got up, you would follow him to every game he sat at for the next four days. So its either no poker, or poker with you.

I like this line too, although if the guy doesn't want to play then so be it. What sort of ruling were you looking for?? "I'm sorry sir, you'll have to play now that you sat down!"

Maybe he just didn't like the cut of your jib, or the creases in your pants... Annoying I'd say, but I don't see what can be done, he wasn't saying you can't play, he was just saying he wasn't playing if you did. mneh. (Another thinly veiled brag post, this time about the awesomeness of the reputation of the Flipmeister??)

EDITED: See Ian's post below for reason... D'OH

LuckyLloyd

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bops

nicnicnic wrote:

hmmmmm me knows there's a little more going on here then OPs interpretation...

Tell all!!

btw nic - did you and the op ever kiss and make up after the 5am sng in citywest?? - it was the funniest i've seen in a while :eek: :rolleyes:

5starpool

This seems to be an annoying thing, but not one that you can do much about, and certainly not something that a ruling can fix. I see this happen in the Fitz, albeit at far lower stakes. Player A is at the table, player B comes in and player A leaves if player B does not get annoyed enough to leave in the next few minutes.

Ste05

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Ste, with all due respect, I think this attitude towards Flipper is unmerited and tiresome - and I see it from various posters (regular and irregular alike) in almost every thread he starts.

Possibly, but I honestly don't understand the point of this thread, people are free to come and go as they please from any game. If he wants to threaten to leave if another player sits down, then so beit, what can be done?? It's a free country, what exactly did this guy do wrong?? He got a good player to sit out leaving himself alone with the 2 fish (LOL, sorry Rob.. ). I'd nearly go as far as to say WP sir...

I get the feeling there's more to this post then meets the eye, but I don't think there's really anything to discuss as posted. Apologies to Flipper and anyone else who feels otherwise.

ianmc38

Ste05 wrote:

Maybe he just didn't like the cut of your jip, or the creases in your pants...

Lol

Ste05

is it meant ot be jib?? Ahh, indeed:

"Meaning:

One's general appearance and demeanour.

Origin:

The jib of a sailing ship is a triangular sail set between the foretopmast head and the jib boom. Some ships had more than one jib sail. Each country had its own style of sail and so the nationality of a sailing ship, and a sailor's consequent opinion of it, could be determined from the jib.

The phrase became used in an idiomatic way during the 19th century. Sir Walter Scott used to it in St. Ronan's Well, 1824:

"If she disliked what the sailor calls the cut of their jib."

There may be an allusion between the triangular shape of noses and jibs in the figurative use of this phrase, but this isn't authenticated. "

Bandara

Flipper you need to fight back my good man.....may I suggest;

nicnicnic

bops wrote:

Tell all!!

btw nic - did you and the op ever kiss and make up after the 5am sng in citywest?? - it was the funniest i've seen in a while :eek: :rolleyes:

Me and the Filpster had a minor disagreement in the city west which was resolved within a few minutes, we is bestest buddies again

BigCityBanker

bops wrote:

btw nic - did you and the op ever kiss and make up after the 5am sng in citywest?? - it was the funniest i've seen in a while :eek: :rolleyes:

that was actually quite funny.

nicnicnic - "ah flipper thats bollox now, it really is, ur acting the (unt"

flipper - "wha?"

Flipper

LuckyLloyd, fair play for speaking up and echoing my thoughts.

My main reason for posting this that I am very pissed off with the "ruling" made - if that's what it could be called. I was told to "just leave it" and like a fool, I did. Waking up today, I have a different take on it. I certainly won't be returning tonight or tomorrow as I don't really want to put up with that sh*t.

ntlbell

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Ste, with all due respect, I think this attitude towards Flipper is unmerited and tiresome - and I see it from various posters (regular and irregular alike) in almost every thread he starts.

Lloyd,

I've been known to have the odd pop at flipper and to be honest the problem is caused by him not knowing me and me not knowing him that he usually reads something into my post's that's not there, I'ts usually something in jest.

But, if you start a thread about how some "players" didn't want to play in your company and within the post you say

flipper wrote:

It's pretty clear that he's afraid that I'd skin both him and more importantly, his buddy before he got a chance.

You shouldn't have to look far to understand why.

But on the other hand, the way he was treated (ars3hole or not) was a disgrace.

jimbling

i think people picked up the thread wrongly to be honest (Ste?). My first instinct was that flipper was told he couldn't join the table because of the locals opinion. Flipper has since confirmed that that is pretty much what happened. Thats an absolute disgrace.

Ste seemed to pick it up that it was just the threat of local leaving, and flipper decided not to play due to the soft player leaving... or something along those lines.

Ste05

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought happened. Flipper tried to sit down and the "local" said that he's not playing with Flipper. So either Flipper leaves or he leaves, then the Fish said he was with the "local", so either Flipper left or he was playing HU with NFR??

Is this not what happened? maybe I was reading it completely wrong, because I really couldn't understand what the organisers were meant to do, make the "local" and the fish play??

Obviously if the "local" asked for a ruling that Flipper couldn't play because he didn't like him and that was given then it's fairly bad....

bops

Flipper wrote:

...I was told to "just leave it" and like a fool, I did...

I take it that you were not directly refused your seat at the table?
You went to the TD/Whoever and complained about what had happened when you went to sit down?
He told you to "just leave it"?

If i see this right, the TD could not really solve the situation, i.e. he couldn't make the guy play if he chose not to. You can't blame him here Kieran, but maybe he cudda phrased it a bit better like "fk him - sit down and if he leaves - who cares?" kinda thing

Maybe you just felt like he was being treated better being local / good customer and you were not to upset matters?

I dunno - I can't see this certain TD/Manager being unfair to you?

Have i got it all wrong?

jimbling

Ste05 wrote:

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought happened. Flipper tried to sit down and the "local" said that he's not playing with Flipper. So either Flipper leaves or he leaves, then the Fish said he was with the "local", so either Flipper left or he was playing HU with NFR??

Is this not what happened? maybe I was reading it completely wrong, because I really couldn't understand what the organisers were meant to do, make the "local" and the fish play??

Obviously if the "local" asked for a ruling that Flipper couldn't play because he didn't like him and that was given then it's fairly bad....

don't think anyone could find an issue if that was the case. I was solely going on the last sentence of flippers post:

Flipper wrote:

I was forced to get up and leave the game.

thought it was obvious what had occurred. Local threatened to leave, nobody wanted local or buddy to leave, so everyone basically made Flipper feel that he had to go instead. Flipper doesn't fight it and goes.

Hitman Actual

Ste05 wrote:

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought happened. Flipper tried to sit down and the "local" said that he's not playing with Flipper. So either Flipper leaves or he leaves, then the Fish said he was with the "local", so either Flipper left or he was playing HU with NFR??

Is this not what happened?

That's the meaning I get as well from the OP. I don't get the "forced to leave" bit though, although I assume Flipper means that he would basically have been breaking up the game if he sat down?

Anyway I agree that they're fcuking idiots, but I wonder what hope they had of breaking Rob, considering his good short-handed game?

mdwexford

i heard about this last night and unless theres more to it its an absolute disgrace. and to be fair to Flipper id say thats exactly the reason the "local" didnt want him there because he knows hes a good player who knows what hes doing. he wanted the fred guy all to himself. he obviously didnt know who Rob or Robin were or im sure they wouldnt have been allowed to play either. apparently fish only need apply

nicnicnic

lenny_leonard wrote:

That's the meaning I get as well from the OP. I don't get the "forced to leave" bit though, although I assume Flipper means that he would basically have been breaking up the game if he sat down?

Anyway I agree that they're fcuking idiots, but I wonder what hope they had of breaking Rob, considering his good short-handed game?

hmmm they broke, but I'd say till be different tonight he took a few sick ones

Marq

I too misunderstood the original post. I thought Flipper was told he couldn't get into the game, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Kieran, just unlucky that your reputation preceded you here. Very little you can do, but I still think that you should have sat down at the table, or whatever table your man went to.

nicnicnic

mdwexford wrote:

i heard about this last night and unless theres more to it its an absolute disgrace. and to be fair to Flipper id say thats exactly the reason the "local" didnt want him there because he knows hes a good player who knows what hes doing. he wanted the fred guy all to himself. he obviously didnt know who Rob or Robin were or im sure they wouldnt have been allowed to play either. apparently fish only need apply

the local wouldn't be frightened to play with anyone(misguided or not) it stems from previous personal disagreement between the two. he knew rob robin and marty and so your uninformed assumptions are quite wrong

NickyOD

Disgraceful decision from the floor.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

I was called to the table which was 3 handed which was a 10/20 not a 25/50 table at the time , The table was 3 handed with rob/tommy/fred flipper asked to sit down i said no problem , He approached the table to sit down and a player said im not playing if he is , The other player says the same im going if he is not playing , So the table would have to break , under no circumstances did i refuse flipper and i had this discussion with him after ...


He left after the players would not play so i did not have to act on the situation .. I would not refuse any player unless drunk or it is a private game


Neill K

mdwexford

nicnicnic wrote:

the local wouldn't be frightened to play with anyone(misguided or not) it stems from previous personal disagreement between the two. he knew rob robin and marty and so your uninformed assumptions are quite wrong

i think thats why you'll find at the start of my post i said "unless theres more to it" i thought there might be something

btw nic IM NEVER WRONG!!!!! :mad:

Flipper

Just to clarify, Neil never STOPPED me from sitting down - I made that decision myself as if I did, there would be no game. I wanted to have a confrontation on the matter and that's what I was STOPPED doing.

nicnicnic

mdwexford wrote:

i think thats why you'll find at the start of my post i said "unless theres more to it" i thought there might be something

btw nic IM NEVER WRONG!!!!! :mad:

:rolleyes:

BigCityBanker

I suspect some animosity between MDWexford and NicNicNic - has this anything to do with the result of yesterdays football match?

RichieLawlor

BigCityBanker wrote:

I suspect some animosity between MDWexford and NicNicNic - has this anything to do with the result of yesterdays football match?

There is animosity between WEXFORD and nicncinic:D

DeVore

Unless this thread has anything further to add to the forum, I think its thrashed out and has a short lifespan from this point.

DeV.

ps: Flipper, I'd follow YOU around a card room for the value

Scotty #

The title of this thread is completely misleading.

I'd imagine most players here know someone they would not like to be at the same table with because of loads of different reasons - personal issues, bad breath, ****e talk, etc. but the vast majority of us would have the manners to politely make our excuses and leave. I can understand Flippers annoyance at this but it just comes down to bad manners. That, or there's bad blood there and he knew what reception he'd get when he approached the table. If the TD had refused to let him play (as the thread title suggests) then there would certainly be something to complain about.

Caboose

Why not just sit down and play?

Mother of pearl there are all sorts of accusations flying around!!!! Talks of reputation and bad "rulings". So sit down and let the game break up and then brag on the blog how you broke up a 10/20 nlh. Then move onto another game and let your play do the talking.

Jebus!

:eek:

RoundTower

There's nothing wrong with having a private or semi-private game in a card club, if the players decide they don't want to play with you the organiser can tell you you're not welcome and offer to find you another game. If I was running the show and it was a choice between breaking the game or letting you play I know what I'd do.

Ollieboy

Firstly, he was right, I would never sit at a cash table with you either... only kidding mate.

I would have called him a chicken sh-- and pray that he gets angry and sits down and take all his cash.

Or B

asked him for a drink, become his best buddy, get him drunk free and than clean him out and show him the money in the morning.

Now that would be a perfect day.