Am I too Passive here?

Richard W

I have 3600, everyone has me covered, but not hugely. Shorthanded tourny, blinds are 50/100. There's 6 of us.

UTG raises to 400
UTG+1 (me) calls with AK
Randomer in late position calls the 400
SB folds
BB raises to 1200
UTG flat calls
What do I do?

Not really worried about UTG as he's been raising nearly every pot, betting every flop. Fella in late position very loose passive pre flop. Calls most of the time pre flop, based on this though, I really should've raised with AK.

BB is new at table. Am I crazy to assume he'll do this with only AK TT JJ QQ KK and AA?

ArmaniJeanss

Richard, I'm a Tribeca donkey so playing an MTT where everyone has 36+ BBs is a bit alien to me

Anyway my very amateur thoughts on this.

Call is OK on a pot odds basis. Its 800 to call with 2800 in the pot, and you will have position on the other 2 players after the flop. Even if you have to give up after the flop you will still have 24 BBs.

Fold is good. Even a 'good' flop may put you in a world of trouble, some of the 6 cards you want are quite possibly in your opponents hands, and AK isnt really worth falling in love with.

Push isnt so good. You may get to play a race againt TT,JJ,QQ with some dead money in the pot, or you may be drawing thin against KK or AA. Theres a small chance that you may get 2 folds but I doubt it.

So call or fold - in general my rule of thumb is if there has been 2 shows of strength before me then I need a powerhouse to stay involved. So for me its Fold.

Interesting hand.

AJs.

Richard W

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Richard, I'm a Tribeca donkey so playing an MTT where everyone has 36+ BBs is a bit alien to me

Anyway my very amateur thoughts on this.

Call is OK on a pot odds basis. Its 800 to call with 2800 in the pot, and you will have position on the other 2 players after the flop. Even if you have to give up after the flop you will still have 24 BBs.

Fold is good. Even a 'good' flop may put you in a world of trouble, some of the 6 cards you want are quite possibly in your opponents hands, and AK isnt really worth falling in love with.

Push isnt so good. You may get to play a race againt TT,JJ,QQ with some dead money in the pot, or you may be drawing thin against KK or AA. Theres a small chance that you may get 2 folds but I doubt it.

So call or fold - in general my rule of thumb is if there has been 2 shows of strength before me then I need a powerhouse to stay involved. So for me its Fold.

Interesting hand.

AJs.

Thanks for the reply.

Yeah I decided to push and have been thinking about it since. It was SUCH a loose table, I think my chances would've been better had I waited around or something. As it turned out, he had JJ, but I think I made the wrong move here.

What I was thinking, is if he has the type of hand I think he has (a big pair), then on a "good" flop for me, he'll either give me no action as a result of an overcard, or he will by hitting a set or something. I probably should've folded that one.

Rb

Hrmm...

Reported

BrokenArrows

Ban!

AKQJ10

one of the funniest responses ive ever seen. good luck posting again for a couple of weeks id say

Lafortezza

Banned. Back on Topic.

LuckyLloyd

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ianmc38

lafortezza wrote:

Banned. Back on Topic.

Damn. What i miss, what i miss?

ArmaniJeanss

LuckyLloyd wrote:

I consider a call to be the worst possible option by the way as it will give excellent odds for the randomer to also see the flop

I think we are last to act pre-flop if we call, so thats not really an issue.
Also if we push, and UTG folds, does the dead money in the pot when we are racing 99-QQ make up for the times when we up against KK or AA. Probably does?.

P.S.,
What happened in the middle of this thread? PM maybe.

LuckyLloyd

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ArmaniJeanss

LuckyLloyd wrote:

We are not last to act pre - flop if we call. SB raised, UTG folded, we know must act and late position randomer (button I assume) must still act behind.

Damn, missed that when originally read first post.

Richard W

Is there something strange going on here that I have no idea about?

Lafortezza

Richard W wrote:

Is there something strange going on here that I have no idea about?

There was some spam near the start of the thread which I deleted.

I'd probably re-raise UTG if he has a wide range of hands preflop, try to get it headsup. If you do that and the BB still raises/goes allin then I go allin too.

Rnger

If you push, I think your opponent can safely take you off JJ+ because you just called the UTG raise initially. Same goes for late pos randomer, he does not have a premium hand and will not raise behind you. I think you should flat call and take a flop with the strength of your hand somewhat disguised

..on second thoughts, i think you should push and take a race cuz its the only way youll be winning chips anyway

Richard W

Rnger wrote:

If you push, I think your opponent can safely take you off JJ+ because you just called the UTG raise initially. Same goes for late pos randomer, he does not have a premium hand and will not raise behind you. I think you should flat call and take a flop with the strength of your hand somewhat disguised

..on second thoughts, i think you should push and take a race cuz its the only way youll be winning chips anyway

Thing is though, if I do take a flop and hit it, if I bet I'm only really getting called by a set, or an overpair. Maybe getting called by the same hand, or AQ, but I reckon if an A hits, TT-KK are outta there unless he hit a K or T. My reverse implied odds are all over the place!

I seem to change my mind about what to do here every now and then.

Also, go suck a lemon.

LuckyLloyd

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Hitman Actual

Flat calling means having 1/3 of your stack in preflop, which is bad. I think this is a fairly standard push, unless you've any real reason to believe that the BB has AA or KK, and with the crappy re-raise it doesn't look like it.