Forum name change? (previously "no more excuses")

LegacyUser

This forum needs to have "Transgendered" added in.

Honestly, this must be one of the last LGB and not T forums left on the internet. Reflect's very badly on Ireland as a whole.

Stark

Yess wrote:

Reflect's very badly on Ireland as a whole.

'Tis true. I'm ashamed to say I'm Irish when I go abroad on account of it.

BuffyBot

"Dear Mary McAleese, Mary Robinson, Mary Kennedy and Mary Fitzgerald,

Please, please, please sort this out. Our lack of a T is a national disgrace. I feel ashamed. Right now I'm burning my passport, smashing my wee Daniel CD's and planning on sabotaging the next performance of Riverdance in Spokane WA, USA.

It is quite possible most people don't give two flying figs about this issue, but they are all discriminating pigs! You know I'm right Mary(s). Help a brother/sister out!

Yours totally outragedly disgustedly disgusted,
BuffyBot"

Chillwithcian

Yesss wrote:

This forum needs to have "Transgendered" added in.

Honestly, this must be one of the last LGB and not T forums left on the internet. Reflect's very badly on Ireland as a whole.

I agree, but i dont think boards.ie has enough transgendered users for it to happen

Cake Fiend

I've always been a little confused about this - what has T got to do with L,G and B?

Stark

Chillwithcian wrote:

I agree, but i dont think boards.ie has enough transgendered users for it to happen

From the charter:

This board relates to LGBTQ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered, Questioning) issues.

The forum is already an LGBT forum in all but name. It's up to the admins, not the moderators whether a name change happens or not. The forum has already had several name changes for pretty banal reasons: "Why do the gays get to have their letter first? Why is it issues, we don't have issues, are you suggesting we have issues? Wtf does LGB mean?" till it settled on "Lesbian & Gay & Bisexual". I don't want to hassle the admins for another name change. OP is free to post his/her request in the Forums forum if he/she wishes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=461

Annasopra

The OP might have worded badly his request but I can see where he's coming from, so I have put in a request to the admins

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055049842

I agree, but i dont think boards.ie has enough transgendered users for it to happen

I think there are actually quite a few - some that don't come regularly into the LGB boards

Boston

We offer no excuses. We merely poke fun.

The_Minister

Yesss wrote:

Reflect's very badly on Ireland as a whole.

You are taking the piss right?

Vexorg

Im sure the OP was not serious with his/her comment

Reflect's very badly on Ireland as a whole

Can the title of a forum on boards.ie can be a reflection on Ireland as a Society, I personally do not think so.

Stark, if you think that a forum title change could work, I have no problem amending it , other than it being overly long for the dynamic menu - Lesbian & Gay & Bisexual & Transgender."

Let me know?

V.

PS Have there been excuses made in the past about not changing the forum title?

Boston

I demand Questioning be added to the title, it reflects very badly on europe as whole not having it.

The_Minister

I thought that the "Q" stood for Queer?

Boston

It does, but in the context of the charter it stands for Questioning. Queer would be redundant.

Stark

Vexorg wrote:

Stark, if you think that a forum title change could work, I have no problem amending it , other than it being overly long for the dynamic menu - Lesbian & Gay & Bisexual & Transgender."

We could rename it to LGBT but people might mistake it for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Trainspotters: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52729649&postcount=29

There are other forums with names that wrap around so I guess the length wouldn't be too much of a problem. Though I agree with Boston that Questioning would be good to have in the title and if we put that in, the name's really getting too long.

I'll leave the thread open to see if someone comes up with a snappy title that works.

Boston

I think you need to get two message accross,
1) It's an LGBT forum for LGBT issues
2) That Curious/Questioning people/Threads are welcome.

Gay & Questioning.
LGBT & Curious.
Queer (though that is a very emotive word to use).

tbh I'd go with the attitude that more is less when it comes to titles, and that if you add things to the title there should be for a reason, rather then jsut for the shake of it.

Hmm_Messiah

I don't understand what transgendered has to do with LGB-as far as I can see what the three share the fourth does't at a fundamental level.

Could you not just call it "Sexual Orientation 101"

I don't see how any one with a broad interest in the related issues/topics etc would not see the forum and think " ah thats the right place for that" whether its "I have a question" or indeed " I think I'm a female though I was born a guy"

I don't understand the argument for changing the name: is it people who feel some might not find the forum and the resource it can be? Or just some people feeling left out , unknowledged etc?

Its equally as likely some one, say a curious/confused teen ( or mid-30s guy ..or..whoever) might see the forum name and go " transexuals !! yikes thats not the forum for me "

I've not seen an absence of straight people posting .

Strange the things that concern people .

And surely the OP is having a laugh ? They couldn't honestly feel it reflects badly on Ireland as a whole.

maybe a sticky explaining the difference between sexuality, and sexual role, behaviour, gender and identity.

Or maybe just call it the "Drama Forum"

Nevyn

It could also be argued that gender disorder is not related to sexual gender preference and that a 'T' section would be better off under physc there here.
Yes there are cases were it is that a person has gender disorder and is also attracted to people who would be of the same gender they aspire to but that is an addition and not inherantly part of the gender disorder issue.

Annasopra

I don't understand what transgendered has to do with LGB-as far as I can see what the three share the fourth does't at a fundamental level.

At a fundamental level T is separate in that it concerns gender not sexuality.

However T is generally included for lots of reasons - historically people who differed from gender norms found that the LGB community accepted them much more.

There is also the fact that as I have pointed out T people often face the same issues/social problems of LGB people

Boston

Johnnymcg wrote:

There is also the fact that as I have pointed out T people often face the same issues/social problems of LGB people

So do hetrosexuals, why not add straight?

Nevyn

Pagans have had some of the same problems, hence the term coming out of the broom closet but that is not grounds enough to push for an inculsion of pagans or other alternate life styles.

Should the forum be name alternate sexuality or everything other then christain hetrosexual couples ?

Goodshape

Thaedydal wrote:

alternate sexuality

Yeah, how about that?

"Alternate Sexuality (LGBT)"

I think "Lesbian & Gay & Bisexual & Transgender" is just too long.

Nevyn

Yes but alternate sexualtiy can cover anything on the below chart.

Boston

In my mind, having posted here for years, this forum is mainly about people who are Questioning their sexuality and looking for help/ advice. It has a serious tone which reflects that. As such I think that, above all else, should be stressed in the title.

Also alternative sexualities. So is this a forum for topics relating to bondage ? S&M?, Furries ... ect?

Goodshape

That's why I included the "(LGBT)" bit at the end

Really can't please everyone, I guess. How about just simply "Gay", or "Gay, etc."

Bah.. I dunno. Just leave it as it is maybe. Ban the wingers.

Stark

Thaedydal wrote:

Yes but alternate sexualtiy can cover anything on the below chart.

I want that blown up and hung on my bedroom wall.

Nevyn

happy to share.

Stark

Goodshape wrote:

Bah.. I dunno. Just leave it as it is maybe. Ban the wingers.

I can't, they posted as unregistered

I'd prefer to leave the forum name as it is personally.

Boston

Stark wrote:

I want that blown up and hung on my bedroom wall.

Exactly what I thought

Vexorg

Stark wrote:

I'd prefer to leave the forum name as it is personally.

We have a decision on the forum name - Great!

I will change it to "as it is personally" should I add the Abbreviation (AIIP) to the end of the forum name?

Nevyn

I wonder what a limited run would cost to get printed up.

Stark

There's a print facility on the site but the picture would need to be about 5 times it's current resolution to come out looking right.

Goodshape

Vexorg wrote:

We have a decision on the forum name - Great!

I will change it to "as it is personally" should I add the Abbreviation (AIIP) to the end of the forum name?

Objection! What's so 'personal' about it?! eh?!

How about "As It Is For Everyone, Including (But Not Exclusive To) Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered, And Anyone Else Who Might Be A Bit Unsure As To What Catagory (If Any) They Fit".

Or "AIIFEI(BNET)GLBTAAEWMBABUATWC(IA)TF" for short.

Sorted.

BuffyBot

I still think Mary Fitzgerald has the answer. I bet she could solve this with 3 pipe cleaners and an egg box.

JC 2K3

Oooh, make it a competition!

"Send your ideas on the back of a postcard to....."

Boston

How about Queers without Steers, to steal a line from full metal jacket.

Shellie13

i guess it comes back to how myuch you feel that gender and sexual preferance are linked...
dont think the "T" is that closelty related to the other three...
but sure reflecting badly on ireland?!
Does boards.ie really have a responsiblility to the resyt of the country?!

Filan

Personally feel that there is quite a substantial difference even though popular culture usually confuses them...feminine men are perceived as gay...masculine women are perceived as potential men... I suppose the common ground is that both seek to -trans-cend traditional gender boundaries... so a considerable number of common prejudices are faced. My fallible opinion is that it would probably be easier to be gay than trans as trans are so few in numbers. Ideally there should be a separate Transgender strand...but would there be sufficent numbers?

Hmm_Messiah

I suppose the common ground is that both seek to -trans-cend traditional gender boundaries...

I'm not too sure what exactly you were saying here, but if the question is a link between T and LGB - then nope- gender boundaries is not somethign they have in common. Being gay has nothing to do with gender boundaries

Filan

what I mean is that they seek to -trans-cend or change conventional gender -roles-...however that is in itself an admittedly tenuous link

trawingtroll

I have to agree this would be the best name:

How about "As It Is For Everyone, Including (But Not Exclusive To) Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered, And Anyone Else Who Might Be A Bit Unsure As To What Catagory (If Any) They Fit".

Or "AIIFEI(BNET)GLBTAAEWMBABUATWC(IA)TF" for short

Or perhaps the alfbat socity....

You guys should try an' open a bank account with Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered, Queer, now thats fun....

swiss

Another vote for AIIP.

Annasopra

Did the admins make a decision on the name change yet?

Boston

ages ago. Stark said he liked it as is, and that was it.

Vexorg

No decision really, there did not seem to be any real need to change the forum title, my reading of the contributions to this discussion so far seem to be leave it as is.

Perhaps a discussion on the Lesbian & Gay & Bisexual forum might get a better response. The admins have no issue with adding Transgender, (and not because it a poor reflection on this country - I believe there are far more pressing issues that are a poor reflection of this country than a Forum name), if it serves a purpose.

I just dont think that this discussion has shown a reason/need for a change.

V.

damien

Being the one who helped get this forum created and the one who had it renamed from GLB Issues to the current name, I'd support having the T added to it somewhere, but in practical terms, the name would just get too long and using initials only wouldn't be a good idea either.

Why not let the name stand but have the first sticky in the forum give the full name?
Or have it as "Lesbian & Gay & Bisexual ..." in the title?

I don't think gender issues are a natural fit with sexuality issues but over the past few decades LGB and T have been brothers in arms for various reasons.

The other option is to create a forum for Transgender/T/Gender issues

Still, at the end of the day, there is a welcoming place on Boards.ie to discuss T issues and that's more important than anything else but I do understand the desire to have this alluded to in the forum name.

rainbow kirby

I'd be in favour of Squiggle. Where Squiggle can be interpreted to mean whatever is appropriate.

Talliesin

I support adding Transgendered. There's no really sensible reason why there should be such an association between matters of sexual orientation and matters of gender identification, but for historical reasons there is, and this is reflected in the actual content of this forum.

This is not to in anyway to condone the OPs nonsense about how it reflect upon the country or their accusations of "excuses".

The_Minister

How about the "Not Straight" forum?

Filan

"In some way Queer"? I think Queer can refer to Gender or Sexual Orientation!