animal day

Taiwan-Evo

Has anyone seen Geoff Thompsons 'animal day'.?

Very different. I Think I was left more surprised nobody was seriously injured. I like the idea behind it. But still leaves you wondering what he could do this or that. Even with the rules being so lax. Fingers were getting into eye and strikes with knees,elbows and headbuts were thrown but surprisingly not much damage done.

What does this say?

We get broken nose injuries in our boxing class. Imagine if all is free to throw.I will not make big talk though,those guys took balls to step up to it. And anyone can say stuff on the sideline they would have could have.

Baggio...

it's good stuff, probably as realistic as it gets...It's the best way to see if your art (whatever it may be) really works on the street. You can see from the demos it's a lot harder to damage someone than people think, especially when human dynamics are involved. Power is reduced by 50%, and those guys are all good amateur boxers and have been dan graded.

john kavanagh

my experience from been involved and having organised a couple of them is that its those with the solid backgrounds in MMA style training do best. we had a 'semi-animal day' at the self defence seminar i did a couple of months ago and this was the case again.

injuries sustained are those you'd expect to receive in a competitive mma bout - contusions, strains etcs

something good to do on a rare occasion but you can get the exact same benefits from training the 3 ranges together with more padding and less contact. it keeps the injuries down and you can do it more regular therefore increase in skill level.

Taiwan-Evo

I like the idea. But just can imagine a lot of injuries. 100% power no gloves. I am seeing broken noses/jaws/ribs and concussions.

I think he was allowing headbutts,fishhooks and hairpulling.:D as well as all the other naormalities like elbows ,knees etc.I agree this is the perfect environment to prepare yourself for s street confontation. But how many weeks are you going to be out of training after the session:rolleyes:

Baggio...

You've got your wires crossed there...

Gloves were always used... except when it went to the floor - then the spectators would then take the gloves off the 2 guys who were involved - as you can't grapple with Boxing gloves on.

Headbuts were allowed but not at full power (NO contact). Gouging, biting were also used but only to "touch and release". Those type techniques were not to be implemented at full power at all - could you imagine the consequences??

Punching is 100% power, but with gloves on as to limit damage. Have you actually seen the Animal Day vids?

Taiwan-Evo

ahh, k

I did watch the animal day vid but didnt listen to the rules very well. I skipped straight to the fights I think:D . I will have another look. I thought it was 100 % Power on all shots.

Well that makes more sense now. Going to show my instructor the videos see if maybe we can organize one in the future.

I did realize they had gloves for stand up. But open hand at 100% on ground will still do a lot of damage.

Nothingcompares

Taiwan-Evo wrote:

I like the idea. But just can imagine a lot of injuries. 100% power no gloves. I am seeing broken noses/jaws/ribs and concussions.

I think he was allowing headbutts,fishhooks and hairpulling.:D as well as all the other naormalities like elbows ,knees etc.I agree this is the perfect environment to prepare yourself for s street confontation. But how many weeks are you going to be out of training after the session:rolleyes:

Taiwan I don't think you're taking into account what happens when you get two people who are reasonably experienced in what they do - it's a lot more difficult to land a 100% strike. Kyukushin karate practice 100% power no gloves (usually no shots to the head with hands or elbows) and broken noses, jaws and ribs are rare. If you do the above, with 2 fat lads that have never trained before you'll get one guy beating the **** out of the other guy leading to injury.

Taiwan-Evo

The standup is not that bad especially taking away elbows,knees and headbuts.
I mean you just have to look at the earlier ufc's to see the damage that can be done with 2 trained guys going 100%. OPen hand strikes on an opponant that you have mounted is gonna get cut or something broken for sure unless the strikes are not 100%.

Headbuts! in a ground fight thats gonna get messy.Some of the guys must let the adrenaline take over and end up throwing full 100% headbuts:rolleyes:

I really like the idea. Just skeptical on some issues and the possibilities of what could go wrong. Thats why I am interested in people that have been in them or ran them.

john kavanagh

Taiwan-Evo wrote:

I mean you just have to look at the earlier ufc's to see the damage that can be done with 2 trained guys going 100%. .

what damage? even with those very limited rules back then there was very few fights that ended with someone been badly hurt. the ninja guy getting smash by pat smith an obvious exception.

Taiwan-Evo wrote:

OPen hand strikes on an opponant that you have mounted is gonna get cut or something broken for sure unless the strikes are not 100%.

'for sure'? have you ever seen an MMA bout? this situation is common and the result of 'cut or something broken' is not all that common...certainly not a 'for sure'.

Taiwan-Evo wrote:

Headbuts! in a ground fight thats gonna get messy.Some of the guys must let the adrenaline take over and end up throwing full 100% headbuts.

again look at the early UFCs and Brasil Vale Tudo tapes where these are allowed...they don't do as much damage as you think

Taiwan-Evo wrote:

I really like the idea.

do you? why not just take part in an MMA fight?

Millionaire

yeah, the Anmial Days are interesting. geoff thompson got excellent stuff.

Leave the ground out of it, as I am not a grappler, from the striking stand point, the stand up fighting is not much different than sparring sessions we had in places I trained in over the years. sometimes heavy sparring can get a bit out of hand(usually, in my experience it was the more junior guys who tended to loose the head a bit, and start to try and do damage), and sometimes my trainer who not intervene, and let it get very scrappy... probably to let the guy who lost the head teach themselves a lesson, by way of KO from their more experienced opponent. I 've worn both hats, and its a good learning experience. Except when your going to work the next morning, and there is church bells still ringing in your head! LOL!

I do not do that they of training no more, as the opportunity for it is not avaiable in Muay Thai camps, where the more sporting/ring is what is important. However, I do enjoy a good spar still, even if I am the one coming off worst, its all learning.

Taiwan-Evo

john kavanagh wrote:

what damage? even with those very limited rules back then there was very few fights that ended with someone been badly hurt. the ninja guy getting smash by pat smith an obvious exception.

I remember teeth flying out of the sumo guy as well. I am pretty sure I could go back and see some more injuries than that if I wanted to check

'for sure'? have you ever seen an MMA bout? this situation is common and the result of 'cut or something broken' is not all that common...certainly not a 'for sure'.

Not sure what events you watch. Amateur events ?

again look at the early UFCs and Brasil Vale Tudo tapes where these are allowed...they don't do as much damage as you think

Why did they ban them. Head buts don't do much damage? HAve you ever been headbutted or headbutted someone?

do you? why not just take part in an MMA fight?

Actually , we mostly prepare for mma fighting. There just is not that many events where I am. Which is why I was interested in this video. Most of the guys at our club have all won mma events. There hasn't been one in Taiwan since I arrived.

But maybe one day I will be as good as you:rolleyes:

Edit : LMAO you are a pro my error, dam!

Taiwan-Evo

Millionaire wrote:

yeah, the Anmial Days are interesting. geoff thompson got excellent stuff.

Leave the ground out of it, as I am not a grappler, from the striking stand point, the stand up fighting is not much different than sparring sessions we had in places I trained in over the years. sometimes heavy sparring can get a bit out of hand(usually, in my experience it was the more junior guys who tended to loose the head a bit, and start to try and do damage), and sometimes my trainer who not intervene, and let it get very scrappy... probably to let the guy who lost the head teach themselves a lesson, by way of KO from their more experienced opponent. I 've worn both hats, and its a good learning experience. Except when your going to work the next morning, and there is church bells still ringing in your head! LOL!

I do not do that they of training no more, as the opportunity for it is not avaiable in Muay Thai camps, where the more sporting/ring is what is important. However, I do enjoy a good spar still, even if I am the one coming off worst, its all learning.

I believe in hard sparring for sure. I usually only do it with the more experienced guys. We can control ourselves. The new guys will try and escalate the fight each time they get hit. Like you said they end up getting hurt. I usually will say to them that they can set the pace and I will meet them.:D

john kavanagh

Taiwan-Evo wrote:

But maybe one day I will be as good as you:rolleyes:

i'm not claiming to be 'good' at anything. just making the observation that the situations you described (g'n'p with no gloves and headbutts) don't lead to as many injuries as you might think - i've watched a lot of fights (and been involved in 1) where these tactics were legal and there wasn't significantly more injuries than in bouts with mma gloves and no headbutts. the tooth flying out incident came from a headkick, still legal - a similar thing happened in diego v karo when he kneed him and karo's tooth flew out.

Valmont

john kavanagh wrote:

just making the observation that the situations you described (g'n'p with no gloves and headbutts) don't lead to as many injuries as you might think -

After I saw Shamrock vs Taktarov I would agree. Shamrock threw some mean headbutts whilst inside Taktarov's guard and he didn't seem to bothered for most of them.

Taiwan-Evo

well, thats why I started the thread to hear from guys with experience:) I guess I have a thing about headbutts because I have a 2 inch scare on my forehead which was caused from one. I have also broken a guys nose accidently while begginning to learn how to box. Was weaving to come inside came straight up and just clipped his nose.:o inexperience was the cause though