NSPC Hand. Comments please.

boba_fett3099

This was a big hand for me on Sat and I would just like some comments on how i played it.

I've been moved to the table and haven't played a hand for the 20 mins or so that i've been there.

Some info on villian: Complete LAGtard, his PF raising range in any position is any A, any pair or any two face cards. His limping range is pretty much any two suited or connected cards. He is very weak post flop and has made several fundemental errors in the short time i've been at the table. Also he seems very fond of check-raising.

Blinds are 150/300 with a 50 ante when this hand happens. Avg stack is c.15k.

Hero is button - 13.5k
Villian is MP 3 - c.25k

MP 1 limps, Villian limps one off the CO and i look down at 7s5s, i raise to 1100(Comments?) Villian calls.

My reason for raising here is to try and isolate the fish and play a raised pot with him in position. Is my hand just too weak to try this??

Flop (2950)

KK6

Villian checks, I check. (Comments?)

Turn (2950)

4

Villian bets 4k, I think the overbet is clearly weak and push for 12.4k (Comments?)

fiddlesticks

Its a fold preflop for me Carl...

boba_fett3099

fiddlesticks wrote:

Its a fold preflop for me Carl...

Boo-urns..

fiddlesticks

I'd knew you would say something like that. Bet the flop, about half the pot or above, indicating some strength and if he calls be done with the hand, if your not going to fold your hand pre-flop!
Edit : about 1500

boba_fett3099

The reason i didn't c-bet the flop here was because of his tendency to constantly check-raise with any pair! Does checking behind on the flop and pushing the turn look like a king here to anyone? Do you like turn push? I was pretty sure he'd lay down anything that wasn't a king and also he prob wouldn't bet 4k with a king so i thought my fold equity is huge and i have outs!

yahoo_moe

I'd agree you should fold pre-flop... it's gonna look like a steal and 4-7 ain't a hand you want to be called with. If you really want to play him in position, why not limp? A raise from the blinds makes an easy fold but otherwise you're in position without 4-7 costing you too much

you say he's a frequent check-raiser so your position doesn't count for as much unless you can solidly put him on a hand and even though he may be a LAGtard, he's probably calling with the higher end of the range you put him on which means that a KK6 flop could easily be good for him (KJ, K10, KQ, A6)

Given that you've raised, you could take a stab at it on the flop and see what comes of it... if he raises, fold and if he calls, shut down... any bet is probably just throwing good money after bad, though

overall, though, if you can avoid positions like that, I would

boba_fett3099

yahoo_moe wrote:

I'd agree you should fold pre-flop... it's gonna look like a steal and 4-7 ain't a hand you want to be called with. If you really want to play him in position, why not limp? A raise from the blinds makes an easy fold but otherwise you're in position without 4-7 costing you too much

im not so sure it does look like a steal considering i haven't played a hand yet and raising with two limpers ahead of me shows alot more strenght than say open raising on the button.

yahoo_moe wrote:

he's probably calling with the higher end of the range you put him on which means that a KK6 flop could easily be good for him (KJ, K10, KQ, A6)

None of these hands are in his range imo.

ocallagh

Your hand is too weak to play against a total LAG. Also, the stacks are a bit too short.

Mellor

With the field as loose as it is id fold preflop.
How many Ace high hands did you see on the river on saturday. Its still early days. I take it he folded. Or you sucked out

gocall01

Pure and simple fold for me.
I appreciate your reasons for doing what you did but...
You are deep stacked and waiting for a better spot is my play here.

As you are playing, FLOP, bet it.
Was the flop rainbow?
Again, I appreciate your reasons for doing what you did but...
Bet and if reraised be done with the hand, better spots will come.

The turn depends on available flush draws (which don't appear to be a concern here as you haven't mentioned them) plus your straight draw.
The over bet can also be used to give the impression of weakness when hiding strength IMO.
Depends if there is any history to draw from here.

I believe you do have fold equity but you are pushing on a probable 8 out draw for your tourney.
You will win a 7K pot or be knocked out, BETTER SPOT keeps coming to mind.

Tar.Aldarion

"How many Ace high hands did you see on the river on saturday"

None unfortunately.


Fold preflop.
As played, bet flop.

boba_fett3099

ocallagh wrote:

Your hand is too weak to play against a total LAG. Also, the stacks are a bit too short.

This is the answer i was looking for. Thought he'd fold alot of his raggier hands PF and i could pick up c.1500.

As played is this really a good flop for a c-bet? I probably should have in hindsight.

Im happy enough with my turn push because the overbet is clearly weak and its unlikely he's trying to disguise strenght! My FE is huge in this spot imo and i can pick up a 7k pot.

And as regards finding a better spot i agree that i probably should have folded PF but on the turn i dont think i'll find many spots better than this to pick up a 7k pot and i also have 8 outs if i get called. On top of all this the structure was alot faster than i anticipated so i didn't mind gambling!

gocall01

Outcome?

boba_fett3099

gocall01 wrote:

Outcome?

Villian thought for all of about 10 seconds before calling with 56!!! River was an 8...

Mellor

Carl, you're sick

Marq

christ. fold preflop.
I think calling turn is better than pushing.

ditpoker

again carl this is going to be one of those "only jeff agrees with me so i must be wrong" situations.

raising preflop with 75s is fine, raiseing preflop with AA is fine, raising preflop with 23o is fine... raising is fine... limping with 75s is punishable by a kick in the groin. raising is fine once you know why you're doing it and what your plan for the hand is.

once raised and you get a caller, what flop did you want? 775? 468spades? when you raise with hands like this you have to be willing to play post flop poker. bet the flop. if he calls, wave bye bye to your hand or ship it and hope LAG folds his pair of sixes.

as played by the turn id flat call, from your description this guy isnt going anywhere to that raise and your not giving near enough folding equity to get that type of player off the hand, and if he has a K he's calling in a heart beat. flat call the turn, hope to improve, if not, fold out of position!

on the river... you're a luck sandwich!

I've been moved to the table and haven't played a hand for the 20 mins or so that i've been there.

Some info on villian: Complete LAGtard, his PF raising range in any position is any A, any pair or any two face cards. His limping range is pretty much any two suited or connected cards. He is very weak post flop and has made several fundemental errors in the short time i've been at the table. Also he seems very fond of check-raising.

you got ALL this from 20mins, max maybe 10 hands?? for future reference... reassess your info collecting skills, 10 hands wont tell you much!

boba_fett3099

Yeah jeff your right although it was probably closer to 30-35 mins. I think im telling you my read on him after an hour or two and not when the hand actually took place but i would have instantly thought he was a LAG and a donk.

So clearly i should fold PF and bet the flop! But on the turn i hate flat calling for a third of my stack. Im getting nethier the immediate nor implied odds for an OESD. To be honest i thought he would fold all non K hands since PPs higher than 66 he would have raised PF. And i thought I had a decent amount of FE since hes not even getting 2-1.