Andreas Gursky-genius or a fake?

stephen Jacobs

Does the aid of computers in his work create greater pictures?

B0rG

Kazuhiko Nakamura, genius or fake?

http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~m.mirage/home.html

Link would be nice though...

DadaKopf

I love Gursky. He's one of my top photographers ever.

I don't see what the problem with using computers is. Is it any different to traditional darkroom techniques?

It's the affects of the art he creates that is important. And great artists have very often been pioneers of new technology.

What do you think, Stephen Jacobs? You started the discussion.

Stephen

Sounds suspiciously like a homework question 0_o

DadaKopf

Could very well be. :rolleyes:

Huggy Bear

"top photographers ever" ... more like "top graphic artist" ...

Fajitas!

I'd just say artist.

Obviously it created better images for him, but I think the effect of the post processing is more important than the photograph. Make of that what you will.

I don't know enough about him to make any more of a decision...

DadaKopf

Photographer artist .

Not all his photos are blatantly manipulated. Many aren't digitally manipulated at all.

Anyone who thinks that they are doesn't know enough of his work.

What on earth is "the photograph" versus the "effect" of the image? Surely they work together to produce something that affects the viewer. His technique is simply the medium.

Fajitas!

DadaKopf wrote:

Not all his photos are blatantly manipulated. Many aren't digitally manipulated at all.

Where are they? I could only find 1 on his site posted above, which is what I'm basing my opinion on.

I quite clearly stated in my original post that I don't know enough about him.

What on earth is "the photograph" versus the "effect" of the image? Surely they work together to produce something that affects the viewer. His technique is simply the medium.

I said the effect of the post processing, not the effect of the image. There's the difference. The photograph is what was originally taken, the effect of the post processing is the work done after the photograph was taken.

Of course, they do work together to make the final piece, but in my opinion, I'm looking at digital imaging, rather than a photograph.

Roen

Who?

DadaKopf

Fajitas! wrote:

Where are they? I could only find 1 on his site posted above, which is what I'm basing my opinion on.

I quite clearly stated in my original post that I don't know enough about him.



I said the effect of the post processing, not the effect of the image. There's the difference. The photograph is what was originally taken, the effect of the post processing is the work done after the photograph was taken.

Of course, they do work together to make the final piece, but in my opinion, I'm looking at digital imaging, rather than a photograph.

Wait, are u talking about Gursky or that mental lad in that other link who has nothing to do with this discussion?

Fajitas!

Ah, that would explain it, I thought the link was to Gursky...

Makes more sense.

DadaKopf

A. Gursky:

Fajitas!

Ah! I have indeed seen his work before, really nice work alright.

Fenster

I don't see the big bruhaha over him, to me he seems to be a person with a very good eye for perspective. Short of being a press - most press, anyways - photographer, I don't see any reason to go labelling people fakes, considering the extent to which we may easily manipulate our images. As some of you have already seen, here's a typical before and after to me:



I think his work is all the more impressive for consideration that it's entirely analogue. When you don't have the benefit of a raw editior and photoshop to tweak your photos, you need to be damm good to achieve the kind of manipulated image we take as common.

DadaKopf

There's more to Gursky than perspective. Above all, he seeks to capture reality. But, as he said in an amazing TV interview once, you have to cheat to achieve objectivity in photography.

Gursky is a pupil of the objectivist school of photography.

His subject matter is, in his interviewer's words (and I'm paraphrasing), a visual anthropology of globalisation. All his images are macro images. They reveal relationships, and he sees his image making in similar ways to the 16th and 17th century Dutch masters. Often, he waits for the decisive moment in which an entire scene of people fall into relationship with each other. That's seriously hard work, particularly when working in large format.

Other photographers in a similar vain include Thomas Ruff and Thomas Struth.