Ou es le Jacques?

AmarilloFats

I watched my friend play this hand on Party...WE disagreed on the play....
I wont say anything about it, other than reads and how it played out...
PLease comment... please.......>}}}}}}))>:>

OK. It's 2/4 6max
Stacks -400

Friend gets JJ in the Small blind.

Allin3high a good scandi TAG makes it 16 to go UTG+1
ABC vanilla player makes it $45 in MP

MY friend calls. Allin3high calls.
Flop( 135) - 7 4 2

My friend leads for $110

Comments! Thoughts.

ianmc38

i'd probably fold preflop.

AmarilloFats

Why Ian?
What do you think of the flop lead!?

ianmc38

A standard tags opening range from UTG is {22+, AT+, KJ+}, ABC players reraising range is probably much tighter. Their combined ranges usually have JJ crushed.

If I am calling, I'll be playing it very passively postflop if I don't hit a set as it's very easy to get stacked on a flop like 237.

AmarilloFats

You haven't said anything that's gonna persuade him.
Nada.

careca

your mate has called 45 from the SB, so will be oop after the flop, therefore he must have a strong hand. Flop comes low and he puts in a substantial bet. What hands do you think are going to call this bet. I would imagine 88,99, 1010 will throw it away now, QQ might fold and thats a might. KK and AA will almost certainly look it up and of course a set will also.

Either a world of pain or you have given the others a chance to fold a worse hand.

Bandana boy

AmarilloFats wrote:

You haven't said anything that's gonna persuade him.
Nada.

I am with Ian here
I am folding pre flop as i think re-raising range for vanilla is AK AA KK QQ JJ TT against that range we are in real trouble

If we call then i am check calling or check folding not leading

Leading gets AK to fold
I think that >60% of the time we are losing here of the 40% of the time we are winning AK and TT we have just made him fold the losing hand over 50% of the time

If he has TT he is betting for us anyway

So we win the min and lose the max by leading here

AmarilloFats

My friend will accuse me of leading the witness But...........
How important is my friends actual holding(JJ) considering the way he played it.....??

Hectorjelly

He should definitely fold preflop, that is an awful call. leading the flop is ok because the preflop reraiser is unlikely to fire with AK into 2 players. His play would be good with AA

Ste05

Pre-flop is a reluctant fold or marginal call for purely set value.

I think the lead out is awful. What calls us that we beat, and what do we do to a re-raise. It's basically a spew, we should have 77 or AA here, anything else is a stone cold bluff and could be done with any 2 cards. The only saving grace of it is that it should get QQ to fold.

AmarilloFats

Hectorjelly wrote:

He should definitely fold preflop, that is an awful call. leading the flop is ok because the preflop reraiser is unlikely to fire with AK into 2 players. His play would be good with AA

Why is leading flop ok?
Sure, the reraiser is less likely to continuation bet in this spot, so your not losing too much value here...

But, my friend fired because he "has Jacks" on a low board…He "would have folded to flop 3-bet"..and "slowed down on turn"
So was it a bluff or value bet or a bet to deprive free cards??????

And don't be giving my mate any grief….his crazy style works...