Computer Science (DT228) vs Computing (DT211)

Spunge

I was reading the prospectus on these 2 and they both seem to have the same subjects and work placement.
Does anyone know if there are any major differences or if one is harder/easier than the other?

If they are the same i will go for DT211 because you are able to leave with a cert after 2 years, diploma fter 3 or do the degree, while i believe the other one is 4 year degree or nothing. If the computer science does substancially more than the other id have to go for that one.

flynnser19

i was thinkin the exact same thing!!!!i like the sound of the computing one now after you saying that!!hopefully someone will give us an explanation!!!lol

Creamy Goodness

you can leave the DT228 course after year two with a cert. so one of my lecturers say. (dt228/2 student here).

Stench Blossoms

Cremo wrote:

you can leave the DT228 course after year two with a cert. so one of my lecturers say. (dt228/2 student here).

I heard it was year three now that you get the cert. You never got a cert after year 2 (that i'm aware of anyway)

From doing the DT228 course and by no means do i mean to cause any offence, but the DT211 was made out to be the 'easier' option since you can transfer into DT228 after doing the DT211 course.

Naikon

Well thats put me off:D

Spunge

If what both Orla and Cremo are saying are true i'll definitely be going for DT228. I'll email DIT anyway.

Out of curiosity, Orla, would one do the 4 years of DT211 then transfer into year 4 of Dt228?

Theta

Cremo wrote:

you can leave the DT228 course after year two with a cert. so one of my lecturers say. (dt228/2 student here).

Just finishing up in 228 now and its much tougher than 211 from what I can gather anyway. It was a better course IMO but that just me.

Lorax

I cant believe no-one has said this yet, its so simple lol :

DT228 = Honours BSc Degree

DT211 = Pass BSc Degree

The majority of graduate IT jobs in the larger companies (Microsoft, Intel, IBM, Bank of Ireland, AIB, Ulster Bank, Oracle, Symantec, etc) require an Honours degree.

Theta

Not any more there overhauling both courses and I think someone mentioned that there were upgrading 211 to a level 8 aswell. I could be wrong though witch would make more sense

Lorax

At the moment, anyone who is in any year of the 3 year DT211 course will obtain a Pass degree.

Stench Blossoms

Spunge wrote:

Out of curiosity, Orla, would one do the 4 years of DT211 then transfer into year 4 of Dt228?

Not 100% sure. I think it was 3rd year to 3rd year.

Spunge

Lorax wrote:

I cant believe no-one has said this yet, its so simple lol :

DT228 = Honours BSc Degree

DT211 = Pass BSc Degree

The majority of graduate IT jobs in the larger companies (Microsoft, Intel, IBM, Bank of Ireland, AIB, Ulster Bank, Oracle, Symantec, etc) require an Honours degree.

ehh DT211 is a 4 years Honours degree
If it was a 3 years i wouldnt have asked.

http://www.comp.dit.ie/website06/course.asp

Spunge

Ok, i emailed dit and got this email, i found it quite helpful and i think it will help people in the same position as me.

"The main differences between DT228 and DT211 are:

-DT211 focussed more on networking and systems adminstration modules. Students can get Cisco and Oracle certification. Although both courses are very practically focussed with lots of scheduled lab hours, DT211 could be considered slightly more hands-on with for example a module in first year where the students build their own PC.

-DT228 is a fulltime 4 year programme. There are no exit points along the way, you need to commit to a 4 year programme. On the other hand DT211 includes exit points at years 2 with a Higher Certificate and year 3 with an Ordinary (non Honours) degree.

-DT228 has 4 streams of specialisation in 4th year, which allows the student a full year of concentrating and specialising in the area of computer science/software engineering offered by the course that appeal to him/her. DT211 does not offer the student a full year of specialisation although they have options available in 4th year that include a number of the similar types of modules including e.g. Internet Development and Music Technology.

-DT228 includes a work placement programme where the student spends 6 months in the second half of 3rd year working fulltime in an IT related company. DT211 includes an internship programme where the student spends 2 days a week in 3rd and 4th year working in an IT related company. The remaining 3 days are spent in college.

We would not consider than either of our degrees was considered in higher regard than the other. If a student stays for 4 years in the DT211 programme they exit with an Honours degree that we would consider equivalent in standard but with different specialisation that the DT228 degree."

Personally i think ill go with DT211 because of the ability to leave early with a lower qualification and because it seems to concentrate more on networking, and i may like to become a network administrator, but ill keep doing research until the time to change my mind is up.

Hope this helps you other guys too.

Naikon

Thanks for posting the E-mail:)

SoldierForce

I have been silently watching this thread but as a former student of DT211 and a present student of DT228, this email is ridiculous!
For one any student can drop out or transfer anytime after 2 years in a course! At 2 years you get a Higher Cert, at 3 Years an Ordinary Degree and at 4 Years its an Honours Degree. This has been decided by the Dept. of Education so this email is all rubbish! If DIT deny then I would be prepared to mount a legal challenge, as you DO NOT need to commit yourself to 4 years if you don't want to, If DIT is registered in Ireland and is a Member of the European Universities Association I wonder how they think they can get out of this!
Although it says you will be Cisco and Oracle certified you have not been told that it's only the Cisco and Oracle course but DIT's certificate! So if you want you will still have to sit for the independent exams privately!

For anyone wanting to do an Honours Degree then in DT211 they will have to do 2 PROJECTS which is a real pain! As you have to do one in the 3rd Year to get an Oridnary Degree and one in the 4th to get an Honours!

As for the internship program, this is my opinion, this is just put in to make this sound more interesting! Students do get an internship but it's not that exciting to be honest! This can be confirmed as DT211 has an average of 20 students compared to 228 which is 80+. Due to the low intake they introduced this internship crap.

Companies will prefer a degree in Computer Science(More Theory and a broad range of technologies - good for software development kind of jobs) then Computing(More practical and narrow range - Technical Jobs).

As I said I was in DT211 and the turnout was hardly 10 students per class and I found that to be the gayest class with all guys!

Spunge

Thanks for posting SoldierForce.
I thought the 4 years or nothing thing was true because my current college's guidance counsellor said the same thing so now im at a loss. The only thing left to do is contact the department of education and get proper confirmation.
I would have thought a college would give the proper information instead of misleading prospective students so they attend.

Theta

You can’t exit DT228/4 at anytime except completion with a qualification. The reason is you have not provided material to earn the merit where as in 211 like you said you provide a project in third year to earn an ordinary degree where as in 228 you provide no such project until fourth year! Now it would be hardly be fair to let a 228 student exit without completing the same as a 211 student to earn an ordinary degree if it was like that we would all be taking it handy and doing this. DT228 has not been set up to be exited without completion unlike 221 which has the required examinations. And they haven’t been mislead the information in correct as over the 4 years I have been in 228 plenty of people have left without earning or being provided with the chance to earn a qualification!

strychnine

SoldierForce wrote:

I have been silently watching this thread but as a former student of DT211 and a present student of DT228, this email is ridiculous!
For one any student can drop out or transfer anytime after 2 years in a course! At 2 years you get a Higher Cert, at 3 Years an Ordinary Degree and at 4 Years its an Honours Degree. This has been decided by the Dept. of Education so this email is all rubbish! If DIT deny then I would be prepared to mount a legal challenge, as you DO NOT need to commit yourself to 4 years if you don't want to, If DIT is registered in Ireland and is a Member of the European Universities Association I wonder how they think they can get out of this!
Although it says you will be Cisco and Oracle certified you have not been told that it's only the Cisco and Oracle course but DIT's certificate! So if you want you will still have to sit for the independent exams privately!

For anyone wanting to do an Honours Degree then in DT211 they will have to do 2 PROJECTS which is a real pain! As you have to do one in the 3rd Year to get an Oridnary Degree and one in the 4th to get an Honours!

As for the internship program, this is my opinion, this is just put in to make this sound more interesting! Students do get an internship but it's not that exciting to be honest! This can be confirmed as DT211 has an average of 20 students compared to 228 which is 80+. Due to the low intake they introduced this internship crap.

Companies will prefer a degree in Computer Science(More Theory and a broad range of technologies - good for software development kind of jobs) then Computing(More practical and narrow range - Technical Jobs).

As I said I was in DT211 and the turnout was hardly 10 students per class and I found that to be the gayest class with all guys!

This is RUBBISH!!! Im in the third year of the 228 course now. THERE IS NO EXIT POINT AT ANY STAGE. It is a University level Honours Degree, the 211 course is a more traditional Institute of Technology course, with cert, diploma and degree stages.
It has been talked about that there will be an ordinary degree offered for 228 after the third year. However, this is not set in stone and from where i am now, you would not be in a very good position if you left 228 after 3 years because it is a 4 year course, therefore the previous three years come together in the fourth year.
If you leave 211 after the second year for example, you are actually qualified to do something in the workplace, this would not be the case with 228 because its geared towards 4 years.
I know a guy who left 228 just before christmas having done 2 and a half years and he has nothing. At least if he had done 211 he would now have the cert and nearly be at the diploma stage.
Also its perfectly normal small classes. Thats the nature of DIT in general.
I hope this clears up things.

strychnine

Cremo wrote:

you can leave the DT228 course after year two with a cert. so one of my lecturers say. (dt228/2 student here).

You mean dt211, theres no escape along the way from dt228

projectmayhem

strychnine wrote:

I know a guy who left 228 just before christmas having done 2 and a half years and he has nothing. At least if he had done 211 he would now have the cert and nearly be at the diploma stage.

not talking about me now are we?

anyway, yeah, leaving 228 at any point means walking out with nothing. however, as with all IT jobs, the experience you've gained can be stuck on a CV and will be looked upon favourably... of course the lack of commitment wont but sure you can't have it both ways...

strychnine

No!!! Its someone else!!!

Stench Blossoms

projectmayhem wrote:

not talking about me now are we?

Probably talking about Dave.

SoldierForce

strychnine wrote:

This is RUBBISH!!! Im in the third year of the 228 course now. THERE IS NO EXIT POINT AT ANY STAGE. It is a University level Honours Degree, the 211 course is a more traditional Institute of Technology course, with cert, diploma and degree stages.
It has been talked about that there will be an ordinary degree offered for 228 after the third year. However, this is not set in stone and from where i am now, you would not be in a very good position if you left 228 after 3 years because it is a 4 year course, therefore the previous three years come together in the fourth year.
If you leave 211 after the second year for example, you are actually qualified to do something in the workplace, this would not be the case with 228 because its geared towards 4 years.
I know a guy who left 228 just before christmas having done 2 and a half years and he has nothing. At least if he had done 211 he would now have the cert and nearly be at the diploma stage.
Also its perfectly normal small classes. Thats the nature of DIT in general.
I hope this clears up things.

Since last year or so most the courses have been modularised. So each year you get 60 credits, project or not! I transferred from 211 to 228 and was told that I can get a 3rd Year Diploma! The Dt228 course was changed last year! so unless you ask they wont tell you! Now i think its after 120 credits you get a certificate, 180 credits is an Ordinary Degree and 240 is honours!
I think you will be better off talking to someone from the students union in DIT about the Level 6, 7 and 8 exits. The DT228 exit at 4th year was in Dave Carrolls time, now maybe you can email Sarah Jane Delany and find you!

I'm wondering the students studying there itself are so confused, no wonder it's so tough for new students to decide

Spunge

Sarah Jane Delaney is the one who wrote the email i posted

Stench Blossoms

SoldierForce wrote:

Since last year or so most the courses have been modularised. So each year you get 60 credits, project or not! I transferred from 211 to 228 and was told that I can get a 3rd Year Diploma! The Dt228 course was changed last year! so unless you ask they wont tell you! Now i think its after 120 credits you get a certificate, 180 credits is an Ordinary Degree and 240 is honours!
I think you will be better off talking to someone from the students union in DIT about the Level 6, 7 and 8 exits. The DT228 exit at 4th year was in Dave Carrolls time, now maybe you can email Sarah Jane Delany and find you!

I'm wondering the students studying there itself are so confused, no wonder it's so tough for new students to decide

There's no exit point in the DT228 course. Maybe because you've done the DT211 course you will get some sort of Diploma, but as far as i'm aware ( and i'm doing the course 3 years) there's no exit point.

Theta

SoldierForce wrote:

Since last year or so most the courses have been modularised. So each year you get 60 credits, project or not! I transferred from 211 to 228 and was told that I can get a 3rd Year Diploma! The Dt228 course was changed last year! so unless you ask they wont tell you! Now i think its after 120 credits you get a certificate, 180 credits is an Ordinary Degree and 240 is honours!
I think you will be better off talking to someone from the students union in DIT about the Level 6, 7 and 8 exits. The DT228 exit at 4th year was in Dave Carrolls time, now maybe you can email Sarah Jane Delany and find you!

I'm wondering the students studying there itself are so confused, no wonder it's so tough for new students to decide

228 isn't fully modularised yet so there is no exit point.

Dar

Spunge wrote:

Sarah Jane Delaney is the one who wrote the email i posted

For the benefit of those who are not familiar with the staff of dit, Sarah Jane Delany is the course chairperson for the dt228 course.

NiteOwl2

Dar wrote:

For the benefit of those who are not familiar with the staff of dit, Sarah Jane Delany is the course chairperson for the dt228 course.

I think you should e-mail her again, as far as I am aware over the summer there were changes made to 228 including the introduction of exit points in year 2 and 3.