PS3 & Ireland on Last Word now!

monument

Today FM’s The Last Word will have a bit on the PS3 and it’s price in Ireland after the adverts/news headlines – not sure what or who is on it. (will update)

savemejebus

Thanks for the heads up monument, pretty lame segment thought. The girl seemed pretty illinformed about just about everything.

monument

savemejebus wrote:

Thanks for the heads up monument, pretty lame segment thought. The girl seemed pretty illinformed about just about everything.

In all fairness her views are similar to what you’ll get from many tech/games/general journalists

It just makes me want re-read Rob Fahey’s comment bit about western media’s reporting of the console war… http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18765

...Nothing new (or really interesting tbh), stated to talk about blu-ray and porn (Sony are fools with that, and so are the porn industry for wanting to film in HD).

The point was made that there was really no other console at the PS launch (although it was said Sega had one) and it’ll be different this time with the Xbox 360.

So, at PS launch, all the tech heads were saying Sega’s Dreamcast was crap and the Xbox 360, relatively, is so much better then it??? Strange.

savemejebus

I had a long post written out about her in-accuracies but i re-read it and it could have been construed as being fanboyish so thought the better of posting it .

I really wish they'd have had a couple of good journos on it, who'd done their research, and maybe invited sony and MS reps on. I think it's an interesting topic that should really get more time when you consider the money being spent on games and consoles these days.

Retr0gamer

monument wrote:

...Nothing new (or really interesting tbh), stated to talk about blu-ray and porn (Sony are fools with that, and so are the porn industry for wanting to film in HD).

I know. Who really wants to see a close up of a ravished gowl in glorious 1080p?

swalsh

Retr0gamer wrote:

I know. Who really wants to see a close up of a ravished gowl in glorious 1080p?

jebus, what a comment

koneko

savemejebus wrote:

Thanks for the heads up monument, pretty lame segment thought. The girl seemed pretty illinformed about just about everything.

Didn't tune in myself, what kind of stuff did they/she say?

flogen

Retr0gamer wrote:

I know. Who really wants to see a close up of a ravished gowl in glorious 1080p?

I didn't hear the segment, but wanted to post to say "Comment of the year tbh" to that fine piece of work.

Kudos, Retr0, kudos.

Retr0gamer

Surprised myself with that one. I thought adding HR giger-esque would have been a bit OTT.

K.O.Kiki

Retr0gamer wrote:

Surprised myself with that one. I thought adding HR giger-esque would have been a bit OTT.

... you can stop now. You've won.

savemejebus

koneko wrote:

Didn't tune in myself, what kind of stuff did they/she say?

There were two people(guy and a gal) on with the presenter. I'm pretty sure I heard the presenter say the guy was from PC Live magazine but I didn't hear what publication the girl was afilliated with.

They spent most of their time talking about the price and would people pay it (yes was the consensus I think) and what made the PS3 so expensive (blu-ray). It came around to the host asking something like "is it worth it" and the girl said she didn't think so as the xbox could do everything the ps3 could do but for €400 and that HD-DVD would win the format war because Sony banned pron from Blu-Ray. The guy tried to correct her about Sony DADC refusing to manufacture (press) Blu-Ray pron discs at their facilities, not banning it). There was some to-ing and fro-ing about the backers of each format and the girl then pointed out that MS were backing HD-DVD and thats why it was built-in to the Xbox 360 (yep she said there was a hd-dvd drive built into the 360 for €400).

At the end of the segment the host asked which console would they prefer and the girl chose xbox 360 while the guy said he liked the "gritty, realistic" (does this mean less polished?) graphics of the PS3.

Jip

savemejebus wrote:

the girl then pointed out that MS were backing HD-DVD and thats why it was built-in to the Xbox 360 (yep she said there was a hd-dvd drive built into the 360 for €400).

To be fair, she never actually said that. She did say something along the lines that the 360 comes up HD-DVD, she never said it was built in nor did she clarify it was an extra.
Anyway, the 2 of them weren't 100% sure about what they were talking about. As you said, he said the thinks the PS3 is better because of the graphics and believes people will flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost, he obviously is out of touch with the general consensus amongts many people.

savemejebus

I'm pretty sure that she actually said that HD-DVD was what Microsoft had "built in to the xbox 360".

monument

Jip wrote:

As you said, he said the thinks the PS3 is better because of the graphics and believes people will flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost, he obviously is out of touch with the general consensus amongts many people.

Is he really wrong?

The way it normally goes is early adapters will buy it at the a high price (ie “flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost”) then a few more buy as time goes by and then the price is dropped and more buy and drops again and more buy. Microsoft hasn’t got a large market share in Ireland or most of the rest of the world, bar North America, so I’m not sure how you can claim he is wrong without backing it up.

But if you're talking about the general consensus amongst hardcore Xbox gamers that's fine, as there isn't many of them in Ireland*.

(* or they are not buying many games, which should be the same thing to MS)

Stephen

I wonder how exactly they calculate how many people in Ireland are buying xbox 360 games anyway? I get all of mine from the interweb.

ambro25

monument wrote:

The way it normally goes is early adapters will buy it at the a high price (ie “flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost”) then (etc.)

Sorry to correct you, but this time around, even early adopters in the land of early adopters are giving PS3 a miss...

...which is good, in my book (and I fully accept that it's not in others!)

sprinkles

I really dislike the crap that these so called Game Jouro's spout on about. Every show I've seen have had a segment about the 360/wii/PS3 have gotten most of the facts wrong. They also seems to sensationalise the graphics and it appears that that's all that matters in the long run. Why can't they get someone to write a piece who has actually researched the topic or if possible has some interest int he topic and therefore would probably have followed the development over the past number of years. But alas they are happy to rely on so called journalists that merely read the press release that Sony or MS churn out and perhaps if we're very lucky a biased blog.

monument

Stephen wrote:

I wonder how exactly they calculate how many people in Ireland are buying xbox 360 games anyway? I get all of mine from the interweb.

Don't know what sites you use or buy from, but Play.com and CDwow sales are recorded by ChartTrack for the Irish charts.

ambro25 wrote:

Sorry to correct you, but this time around, even early adopters in the land of early adopters are giving PS3 a miss...

...which is good, in my book (and I fully accept that it's not in others!)

Sorry, that's banned from the behind the firewall where I am.

But, just to make it clear, one way or another I wouldn’t be quick to call the console war winner at this stage and would question any body who would. But there’s nothing wrong with pointing out established trends.

sprinkles wrote:

I really dislike the crap that these so called Game Jouro's spout on about. Every show I've seen have had a segment about the 360/wii/PS3 have gotten most of the facts wrong.

If you're talking about mainstream radio or TV shows it's often tech jouros rather then games jouros.

sprinkles wrote:

They also seems to sensationalise the graphics and it appears that that's all that matters in the long run. Why can't they get someone to write a piece who has actually researched the topic or if possible has some interest int he topic and therefore would probably have followed the development over the past number of years.

"They also seems to sensationalise the graphics" - sounds like common internet talk.

sprinkles wrote:

But alas they are happy to rely on so called journalists that merely read the press release that Sony or MS churn out and perhaps if we're very lucky a biased blog.

Interesting.

ambro25

monument wrote:

But, just to make it clear, one way or another I wouldn’t be quick to call the console war winner at this stage and would question any body who would. But there’s nothing wrong with pointing out established trends.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not 'calling the console war winner at this stage' since, realistically, considering the investment Sony have put into BlueRay and PS3, they're bound to push&push&push&push&... until it either takes, or it gives altogether. So no, I'm certainly not writing off PS3 and Sony yet.

I've long admitted on these here Boards Forums that I'm far from enamoured of Sony, so for them to take a bloody nose would be -

(i) vindication for my earlier rants, which still stand (PS3 is overspecced, overhyped, overpriced and Sony have had a terminal case of the blinkers for a while now - to the customer's expense... and their own, as it looks like it's slowly & predictably turning out)

(ii) an object-lesson in listening to customers and not forcing white elephant features down their throats

(iii) just retribution for the corporate bullying they started with PSP and furthered with PS3 upon grey importers (Lik Sang and others not-so-high-profiled before them), when in fairness Sony 'owes' these guys a lot from the PS1, PS2 and PSX days (and PS3 might even have had a much better start and hype had they still been around, but now we'll never know - typical case of Sony's continuing to cut its nose to spite its face).

But for all the above, I certainly wouldn't like the lesson to be so painful as to lead Sony to exit the market.

In the end, I think it might just be a case of the players' different strategies in effect cancelling the "console generation" paradigm altogether, and that's what we're presently witnessing, and what I mean is:
* PS3 with a shelf life of 5 or 6 years,
* XB360 with a shelf life of 3 or 4 years and XB720 coming out halfway-ish through the PS3 lifecycle,
* Wii with a shelf life of 2 years, and a new better diminutive console coming out every 2 years (Poo, Barf, etc...)

...kinda thing :rolleyes: , so much so that it's a bit redundant to talk of "winners" and "losers". At the end of the day, if Sony calls it quits there won't be any other "war losers" than PS3 buyers, and that would be a bad thing for everyone, not just them.

Still, Sony needs to start selling consoles in some quantity, because of the 3 players, they're the most in the red to start with.

thebman

I'm surprised they had anyone to say they preferred the 360. Anything I've read in Ireland pretty much declares the Playstation franchise to be god and denies anything else exists. Which is why I mostly read online for information.

I saw an article a while ago after E3 that said PS3 would dominate the console industry even at a high price point due to a lack of competition.

MisterAnarchy

I presume the female Journalist on the Last Word is the usual Technology spot girl on a Thursday evening.
She hasnt a clue to be honest.Not a clue of what she is waffling about.

BlitzKrieg

I had a friend over last night and he's put money down on the ps3...when I asked him why he said the thought of someone else having it and him not was too much...


Also he was convinced devil may cry 4 was a launch title.

just thought I'd add that to give some colour to the people who are fetting a ps3 at launch.


what sony needs is confirmation. And they are starting to do that.

Too many of Sony's main titles are in launch date limbo...if they can get kojima, square enix, capcom etc to get up and say the exact dates the AAA titles will hit the shelves it will make getting early adaptors much much easier. I get the impression thats the reason behind the slack in america and japan in sales...too many of the big titles are rumoured to be going multi-platform or have little or no confirmation.

but with the recent final fantasy 13 advert and the upcoming demo it seems things should get better for them.

Retr0gamer

I wouldn't expect anything on the PS3 decent for at least 9 months (and that can be said about any console at launch). We have had the FFX and FFXII demoes well over a year before launch so don't be surprised if we don't see it well into 2008.

MisterAnarchy

Retr0gamer wrote:

I wouldn't expect anything on the PS3 decent for at least 9 months (and that can be said about any console at launch).

What about Mario 64 on the N64 and Twilight Princess on the Wii to name a few .2 great games.

BlitzKrieg

what about the huge drought that followed both of those titles?

gamer

PS3 is too expensive,hard to program for,it has similar graphics to the 360.There seems to be only 3 good games out on it at present, the early adopters are going for the 360,no one knows if blue ray will be a success.SONY have a history of bringing out formats that fail, umd video etc LOOK at supercd ,that failed, the public decided the standard cds,or mp3 is all i need.Most of the time the public gos for cost convenience as against the most technically advanced format or device .The most advanced technology does not always win.IM not going to be going out and replacing my dvds with hddvds even if they were avaidable.Blue ray could end up being used by pros only or as a storage medium for pcs .It could be a niche product for techies.
Maybe its the next laserdisc ,for those who,ll pay anything for films in hd format.

steviec

Not to mention Zelda is a Gamecube game.

Maybe Sony should have arranged to have one of the dozens of top class PS2 games out in the last year or two to be a PS3 launch game with tarted up graphics.

BlitzKrieg

Maybe Sony should have arranged to have one of the dozens of top class PS2 games out in the last year or two to be a PS3 launch game with tarted up graphics.

Gran Turismo HD?

Ciaran500

Not a game, just a demo

BlitzKrieg

yeah just checked that.

not a fan so didnt keep track.

But it was gonna be

assets from GT4 boosted in quality and resolution and converted to the PS3 platform

until it got cancelled and changed into a demo.

Curious as to why the change?

Retr0gamer

Probably to avoid an outcry when people realise they have just been sold the same game again.

projectmayhem

gamer wrote:

PS3 is too expensive,hard to program for,it has similar graphics to the 360.There seems to be only 3 good games out on it at present, the early adopters are going for the 360,no one knows if blue ray will be a success.SONY have a history of bringing out formats that fail, umd video etc LOOK at supercd ,that failed, the public decided the standard cds,or mp3 is all i need.Most of the time the public gos for cost convenience as against the most technically advanced format or device .The most advanced technology does not always win.IM not going to be going out and replacing my dvds with hddvds even if they were avaidable.Blue ray could end up being used by pros only or as a storage medium for pcs .It could be a niche product for techies.
Maybe its the next laserdisc ,for those who,ll pay anything for films in hd format.

i thought this forum had left this kind of stuff behind. but i'll address you, and try my best to look good for the Sony suits that constantly loom behind me when i type.

1. i'm very glad you've had time to use the new SN Systems debug system. SN Systems, the people that let you program Sega & Nintendo machines in the past. you know, the ones that have a great reputation, so Sony went and bought them? or are you just following the forum fodder that goes on?

2. for a machine to be out a year and only manage "similar" graphics to a machine that's out about 2 months is some feat, don't you think?

3. 3 good games at present? maybe true, but i enjoyed two games when i got my 360 at launch, cod2 and halo2. the figures for xbl proved i wasn't alone. but hey, 360 has great games now... and there are less 360 debug kits out there then ps3 ones. i'm sure those 3 good games will be joined soon.

4. while Sony has an awful history with formats, at some point you have to get it right. so far i think blu-ray has looked very good, and it's out-selling hd-dvd (no doubt helped by ps3 in america). the only flub i can see there is the porn industry not supporting it. even if blu-ray ends up as a niche product, it'll justify the means. do you use mindiscs? probably not, but it's a format that's supported worldwide by the radio industry, generating profit for Sony.

BlitzKrieg

3. 3 good games at present? maybe true, but i enjoyed two games when i got my 360 at launch, cod2 and halo2. the figures for xbl proved i wasn't alone. but hey, 360 has great games now... and there are less 360 debug kits out there then ps3 ones. i'm sure those 3 good games will be joined soon.

Which brings us back to my point with the little nugget of when?

Not only do none of Sony's big hitters have confirmed release dates...but its current big hitters are either being consistenly delayed (Moterstorm, Lair and heavenly sword...originally launch titles...now slipping further and further down the tube) or going multi-platform (virtua fighter 5)


Now to be honest I felt the 360 suffered the exact same problem at its launch. In fact like retrogamer said all consoles I have ever bought except one (Saturn and thats a matter of personal taste) suffered from this. But more so then any other console at this very moment Sony needs to hit the ground running They need to reassure everyone the playstation brand still stands for games so they either need excelllent new software or they need the titles associated with playstation to be out reminding joe public this is why they buy playstation. Which is something despite its poor launch selection the PS2 did do. There was a tekken game, tekken tag as a launch title...it wasnt a brilliant game but tekken is a symbol of the playstation and they need it or one of the other hallmarks of sony there at launch...and only at Sony.

The Tekken 5 download thats sold online should be bundled on the hard drive of every unit sold in europe that or Gran Turismo HD...or both. Seriously that will ship more units of the PS3 in europe regardless of price.

I mean marketing cant f*ck that up. 'Your paying 620 euros for the thing...but its bundled with the absolute best version of tekken available anywhere and not only that but a very extensive demo of the next Gran Turismo.'

It'd be like mario brothers and duck hunt on the nes. It be better then Taladega nights anyway and prob be cheaper on sony. Leaving those two to be purely online at the moment is a risk seeing as taking your consoles online is nowhere near the size in Ireland and UK as it is in the US so I doubt tekken will get the same exposure if it stays hidden there when it should be bang centre on every PS3 box.

it'll have the same affect as wii sports did for the wii.

and it's out-selling hd-dvd (no doubt helped by ps3 in america)

but there are more movies available in hd-dvd which in a format war will have a bigger impact in bringing customers onto a format then which one has more sales...which is the goal right now with both formats (and what the PS3 is meant to be doing.)

do you use mindiscs? probably not, but it's a format that's supported worldwide by the radio industry, generating profit for Sony.

something nobody denies but the industry (despite what some PR blunders say) will not be using ps3 the consumer will be...and a format that looses in the consumer market will be a heavy costly burdon on the console. One thats fixable but also time consuming.

projectmayhem

BlitzKrieg wrote:

The Tekken 5 download thats sold online should be bundled on the hard drive of every unit sold in europe that or Gran Turismo HD...or both. Seriously that will ship more units of the PS3 in europe regardless of price.

100% agree. there's a lot of hype around the machine, but a lot of people who want it simply won't fork out €630. two games on the hard-drive would sway their vote as well as hammer home the point that the ps3 can stick "better" games on the hard-drive in comparison to the 360.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

but there are more movies available in hd-dvd which in a format war will have a bigger impact in bringing customers onto a format then which one has more sales...which is the goal right now with both formats (and what the PS3 is meant to be doing.)

after CES last week, blu-ray got a big boost with 50 new titles a month, with major new support from warner brothers, releasing stuff on blu-ray both exclusively and giving blu-ray timed exclusives.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

something nobody denies but the industry (despite what some PR blunders say) will not be using ps3 the consumer will be...and a format that looses in the consumer market will be a heavy costly burdon on the console. One thats fixable but also time consuming.

if blu-ray looses in the consumer market, it'll be a massive loss for Sony, no doubt, but i don't think it's a loss for PS3. if the worst comes to the worst, Sony can just release a HD-DVD add-on, or just let third parties release one (to avoid "admitting" defeat) or just ride it out for another 2 or 3 years for the PS4 (though i don't think there will be a PS4... i suspect a name change in their console division).

if HD-DVD wins the war (and tbh, i think DVD will win the movie war), the fact still remains that far more information can be shoved onto a blu-ray disc, and that's good for playstation, and PC.

LookingFor

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but..

Retr0gamer wrote:

I wouldn't expect anything on the PS3 decent for at least 9 months (and that can be said about any console at launch).

I see plenty on day one. These will vary according to taste, but I'd pick out:

Resistance: Fall of Man
MotorStorm
Virtua Tennis 3
Formula One Championship Edition
Ridge Racer 7
Virtua Fighter 5
The Elder Scrolls lV: Oblivion

And on the downloadable side:

Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Blast Factor
flOw
Gripshift

This "PS3 has no good games" nonsense is purely just that. On day one in Europe you will have the best next-gen FPS game to date (and IMO, the best online console FPS ever), the best next-gen fighting game to date, the best next-gen RPG to date and the best next-gen off-roader to date (if not the best next-gen racing game fullstop). Along with a slew of others. 3 of those "bests" are exclusive, at least at launch, the fourth being multiplatform - which is an irrelevance to anyone who doesn't already own a 360, which is, let's face it, most people. Something like Oblivion doesn't make any less of a contribution to the PS3 catalogue than the 360 catalogue for the vast majority of people - people for whom next-gen is entirely new. Ditto going forward - GTA may no longer be time exclusive to PS3, but the only place to get GTA and Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo and Singstar and Assassin's Creed and Resistance and Wipeout and... is PS3. If you discount multiplatform games, every system's library begins to look less robust, but PS3 has a combination of multiplatform and exclusive stuff that is hard to argue with. Even just on day one, it makes for what is perhaps the strongest launch line-up ever IMO.

When you extend your argument 9 months past launch, things just become farcical.

BlitzKrieg - on Blu-ray/HD-DVD, the number of US releases til the end of March on Blu-ray outnumbers that on HD-DVD by a significant margin - 47 vs 16 - as does their appeal. The momentum on both the releases front and the sales front is firmly behind Blu-ray now (latest sales data out of the US shows Blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by well over 2:1 so far in 07).

Retr0gamer

Resistance looks like it's getting cautious reviews which suggests a bit of launch day overrating since it's the only FPS out at the moment. I think I'll stick with the glorious Rainbox 6 Vegas thank you very much. Motorstorm looks like it could be great and I'm surprised at the good reviews but for me it's nowhere near enough to entice me. The rest of the games are available on the Xbox 360 or are uninteresting. Flow could be great but it's not something that would sell a console.

Best launch line-up ever? It's just as uninteresting as any other.

LookingFor

Retr0gamer wrote:

Resistance looks like it's getting cautious reviews which suggests a bit of launch day overrating since it's the only FPS out at the moment. I think I'll stick with the glorious Rainbox 6 Vegas thank you very much.

Resistance is not the only FPS out on PS3. There'll be two others accompanying it at launch.

Resistance got great reviews. It's pretty much tied with CoD3 and R6 on gamerankings.com as the best reviewed FPS so far on the next-gen systems, but even that undervalues it IMO. It's the closest a console FPS has come to replicating a great PC FPS experience online and that's what differentiates it and gives it legs beyond those other two. Rock solid 40-player matches with zero lag and a huge level of customisation, and for free. It has set the bar for an online console FPS, in my opinion, and even despite the critical acclaim I think it is underrated actually. Neither CoD3's or R6's online play compares favourably.

Retr0gamer wrote:

The rest of the games are available on the Xbox 360 or are uninteresting.

Uninteresting to you, perhaps, but the 360 point is one I've already addressed. Availability on 360 is meaningless to people who don't have a 360 i.e. most people, so please try and look beyond your own minority perspective. You can't write off great multiplatform games just like that, since they're an intrinsic part of any system's offering - and that's always been the case, not just with the new systems. The point is that you can get them and whatever else a system is offering uniquely..and the PS3's mix isn't to be sniffed at.