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Goodluck2me

Button 48K
SB 58K AQo
BB: 35K

Button has been chip leader for most of the final table, since we went 6 handed. we are down to 5 handed now after the bubble has burst. other stacks are 38K and 31K.
The table has been tight for the most of the final table with no car crash hands for over and hour.

Blinds 2k, 4k.
Button Open pushes, i have Aqo, what do you do? how often are you ahead, if if you think you are marginally ahead is it correct to call considering the stacks.

Payout: 150, 270, 450, 650, 1200.

gocall01

AQ the hand that ends so many players tournaments.
Has he done this before from the button or CO?
Do you want to race for your stack when chip leader basically?
I think you are looking at a medium pair, AK or possibly AQ/AJ???

Personnally, I like pushing with the AQ but hate calling.

I don't have the maths for this but is a fold a bad decision?

58o

Like he said, hate to call off my chips with AQ. Fold for me UNLESS villain has been gettin frisky a lot from the button. If he has done this a few times in past couple of orbits I may call but i'd have to be pretty confident He's pushing with ATC

BigCityBanker

Joe,

For me this hand depends alot on table dynamics - has it been push or fold poker? How aggro has the opponent been playing. I call this sometimes and I fold othertimes. It really is read dependent but I expect to see an underpair alot here. I certainly dont expect to be dominated if I call as any hand which has me dominated has been played poorly by the opponent imo (with the possible exception of QQ). I think to answer this properly you would have to be sitting at the table and understand its dynamics. I dont mind a call and I dont mind a fold either - its situation dependent. Dont beat yourself up if this was your exit hand.

Goodluck2me

table dynamics. this was the first push from the button player. he has never raised all in before normally just 4xBB, there has been a lot of calls and flops seen so it hasnt been push-fold poker.

gocall01

Race so.
Your call.
I fold as CL and wait for the button.

Scouser in Dub

He could well be playing AK like this at best a race

fold for me

AKQJ10

Fold for me too joe, you wanna still have a shot if you lose your races. better spots to come

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

I am very interested to hear the opinions and how they differ. i think a fold whilst very disciplined was probably the correct option for a number of the reasons stated above.
It was me who pushed from the button it was accidental in a sense as i hadnt thought it through properly the only really rash decision i had made, the SB, folded AQ, to my raise, and the BB called With JTo. i lost the race, but i was surprised to hear the SB`s holding and hence the post. i thought at first he was wrong, but upon further thought id say a fold is the right option. there is no chance i push there with AJ-.

RoundTower

goodluck2me wrote:

I am very interested to hear the opinions and how they differ. i think a fold whilst very disciplined was probably the correct option for a number of the reasons stated above.
It was me who pushed from the button it was accidental in a sense as i hadnt thought it through properly the only really rash decision i had made, the SB, folded AQ, to my raise, and the BB called With JTo. i lost the race, but i was surprised to hear the SB`s holding and hence the post. i thought at first he was wrong, but upon further thought id say a fold is the right option. there is no chance i push there with AJ-.

then it was a good fold, but if you were playing better it would be a bad one.

Goodluck2me

RoundTower wrote:

then it was a good fold, but if you were playing better it would be a bad one.

i sense the sarcasm here, and so ill explain what i mean. i dont think i open push there with 95% of hands it was more of a brain fart. i dont like the open push with A rag, would you justify an open push with A rag?

cardshark202

You should be pushing with quite a wide range, but making people think its quite a tight one. If you don't push with AJ there what are you doing? I think a lot of the tournament players on this forum play weak tight. Its pretty hard to get better at poker when you play weak tight.

Goodluck2me

im by no means a weak tight player, i just meant that i would raise and not simply push. the push was imo a mistake. i feel i can raise here and get away from it if i had to depending on the player in question, but your advice is appreciated and correct. I also would raise with the range you suggest although i wouldnt push with them.

ITT-Pat

goodluck2me wrote:

It was me who pushed from the button it was accidental in a sense as i hadnt thought it through properly the only really rash decision i had made, the SB, folded AQ, to my raise, and the BB called With JTo. i lost the race

He called with WHAT???:eek: :eek: :eek:

cardshark202

God you should not be raising 'normally' with the intent of folding sometimes when you have ~10 BBs!! Thats madness. Thats terrible play imo don't think it needs much explanation as to why either.

LuckyLloyd

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mewso

I love the sweeping statements on this forum. Second in chips. M of 8 (12 BB to be exact) I would also raise with AJ instead of pushing. I would not be raising with the intention of folding but with the intention of taking the blinds.

LuckyLloyd

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Hitman Actual

musician wrote:

I love the sweeping statements on this forum. Second in chips. M of 8 (12 BB to be exact) I would also raise with AJ instead of pushing. I would not be raising with the intention of folding but with the intention of taking the blinds.

The problem I see with 'just' a raise is that you leave yourself open to a RRAI against hands that you're comfortably ahead of. I think a lot of the tournament players here will push with a wide range of hands on their BB if they think the button is on a steal. So in this case a push is better with marginal hands, but maybe a raise is better with quality hands to induce the re-raise bluff. (Obviously this shouldn't be too transparent either).

But if the blinds are so tight that they only push (or call) with the top hands, then a raise is better, and should be done with any hand. You have to fold occasionally when the blinds wake up with a hand, but that's more than made up for by the money you make on your regular stealing.

So it's all game dependent, really.

Edit: On the SB folding AQ, I originally thought it was a bad fold, but I think it's much closer in a game where people have been playing really tight, and not pushing much pre-flop. I'd expect to see AK or a medium pair much more often than the cards AQ performs well against. Looking at the prize pool jump, AQ is very marginal here, I think.

In a normal game, easy call though.