never seen it coming

bigreddogue

Now before anyone says "I hate the way you played this" "should bet more on the flop and turn" that doesn't bother me.

Two things I would like to hear comment on are,

Can you get away from this?

Played exactly as is, ie not betting enough flop and turn, is it still profitable play, given that on the turn I had ten outs to improve also?

GAME #476434287: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1 2007-01-22 13:33:58
Table Gainesville (8 max)
Seat 1: yangqiulo ($103.30 in chips)
Seat 2: madness ($52.10 in chips)
Seat 5: RikkaRikkaWhat ($28.05 in chips)
Seat 6:ME. ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 7: boulefighter ($32.55 in chips)
Seat 9: FlossyP ($4.70 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: SebboGBG ($219.95 in chips)
SebboGBG: Post SB $0.50
yangqiulo: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yangqiulo [C3 C5]
Dealt to ME. [S4 D4]
madness: Fold
RikkaRikkaWhat: Fold
ME: Call $1.00
boulefighter: Fold
FlossyP: Fold
SebboGBG: Call $0.50
yangqiulo: Check
*** FLOP *** [HA CK C4]
SebboGBG: Bet $1.50
yangqiulo: Call $1.50
ME. : Raise $3.00
SebboGBG: Call $1.50
yangqiulo: Call $1.50
*** TURN *** [H9]
SebboGBG: Check
yangqiulo: Check
ME. : Bet $9.00
SebboGBG: Fold
yangqiulo: Call $9.00
*** RIVER *** [D2]
yangqiulo: Check
ME. : Bet $14.00
yangqiulo: Allin $90.30
ME. : Allin $71.50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $202.80 Rake $3.00
yangqiulo: wins $202.80

Ste05

bigreddogue wrote:

Now before anyone says "I hate the way you played this" "should bet more on the flop and turn" that doesn't bother me.

Two things I would like to hear comment on are,

Can you get away from this?

Played exactly as is, ie not betting enough flop and turn, is it still profitable play, given that on the turn I had ten outs to improve also?

I know you don't want to hear it, but do you know why those comments are so much more valuable to you, then random anonymous people saying hard luck, you got sucked out on.

Or the usual "Never Fold Sets"

I assume by the way you played the hand you wanted to get the money in at some stage, so it's just unlucky it happened when you were drawing dead.

As played, why do you think your turn bet was so bad?

bigreddogue

As played, why do you think your turn bet was so bad?
Today 21:16

Well at the time I thought It was ok, but I thought he only had a flush draw then.

Ste05

bigreddogue wrote:

Well at the time I thought It was ok, but I thought he only had a flush draw then.

Well in relation to the pot, it was fine, the pot was ~$12 and you bet $9, so there wasn't anything wrong with it at all.

The problems are pre-flop: which isn't as huge a problem as the flop, but open limping with ANYTHING should be removed from your game, so either raise or fold.

Obviously the main problem is on the Flop. Which was a HUGE mistake, a bet, then a call and you minimum raise. If I was at this table I would immediately put you on my buddy list. I hope you know what the problems are with doing this, but if you don't have a search around previous threads in this forum and you'll see loads of good threads.

redzerdrog

aagghh i hate the way that HH is posted I have a headache reading it...

mdwexford

i prefer a raise preflop but limping is ok
min raise on the flop is dreadful

bigreddogue

i prefer a raise preflop but limping is ok
min raise on the flop is dreadful

yes its pretty bad, looking at it on playback it looks totally stupid.

It shows no matter how early you make a mistake, you can pay for it later.

aagghh i hate the way that HH is posted I have a headache reading it...

sorry about that, I dont post HH very often, which brings me back to the questions I asked.

When the guy went allin does anyone fold?

The hand played as is but with the river re dealt 1000 times who wins?

DeadParrot

honestly when he pushed what did you put him on?

in order to properly find out and learn from this, its usually an idea not to give away the villains hand.
I'm not too sure this doesn't belong in the BB sticky.

bigreddogue wrote:

The hand played as is but with the river re dealt 1000 times who wins?

This just does not say 'I want to improve' .

Hand wise preflop, ok either way, might raise meself depending on the table, flop is horrible, absolutely evil. Turn is fine as pot goes. River obviously is a kick in the jangly's.
I give pause to the call, but would end up calling 90% of the time.

Iago

To answer your question, as played I go broke on the river every time, but I can't see myself getting to the river without getting a large portion of my stack in on the flop and turn.

You see you have a large stack in comparison to the minimum bet, when you hit your set on the flop and somebody bets into you, you really want to get your entire stack in the middle as soon as possible. So you need to make a large bet on the flop and a large bet on the turn, at least that's how I would have played it.

I think preflop is ok, you've two to act after you as well as the blinds and if you raise with 44 and there's a re-raise you probably have to let it go barring good reads on the players.

The flop bet is shocking to be blunt. You've got a bet and a call from the blinds and a flush draw on the board and you min raise? There's $6 in the pot so I'm raising to at around $8 here. This does three things as I see it

1. It reduces the number of players that can outdraw you, I can't see both players calling this bet

2. If they are chasing a flush and call they make a mistake

3. It swells the pot so that you can make another big bet on the turn and try and get thier stack in the middle

On the turn I can now bet $15-$20 and probably still get called and more often than not I stay ahead after the river but with a significant pot for my efforts.

That's how I would have played it anyway.

bigreddogue

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QUOTE=DeadParrot]honestly when he pushed what did you put him on?

Well everything possible except what he had, and just before running out of time I thought he must have Ace Deuce of Clubs.

bigreddogue

You see you have a large stack in comparison to the minimum bet, when you hit your set on the flop and somebody bets into you, you really want to get your entire stack in the middle as soon as possible. So you need to make a large bet on the flop and a large bet on the turn, at least that's how I would have played it.

Yeah, more often than not thats what I'm doing, but with this hand I'm thinking stupid stuff like, by the time we get to the river I'll have a house and I'll bust him with his flush.