Jamie Gold Cheating Gossip

Mr. Flibble

Saw this from another forum:

A rumor has surfaced that Jamie Gold cheated his way to victory in the WSOP Main Event. The strange thing is that the source of the rumor is Jamie Gold himself. In a recent interview in Bluff Magazine he said that he could tell whether the player to his right would play his hand or fold it.

Matthew Parry, journalist for Bluff Magazine has posted what Jamie Gold said in the interview in several poker forums. If it transpired the way Gold has told it, then there has definetly been a rules transgression. This is what Gold supposedly said:

"Every day when I arrived at the table, the other players freaked out. The player next to me was often on the brink of tears because he knew that he couldn't raise a single hand. So I said, Look at it this way: Nobody can raise you either, because then they raise me too. You are in a good position and I can offer you a deal. In exchange for the protection I provide you, you will fold every time I tell you to. And they all said ok. So I checked my cards before the guy on my right and then said, Ok, it's cool, you go or No, fold."

After the dispute with Bruce Crispin Leyser, Jamie Gold has only been able to receive half of his first price of $12 millions from WSOP. But does he even have the right to half the price money? We promise to keep you updated and report any new developments in this bizarre story.

That guy gets some stick!

RoundTower

I'm pretty sure this a) did happen, b) isn't really cheating

Shadowless

RoundTower wrote:

I'm pretty sure this a) did happen, b) isn't really cheating

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ArmaniJeanss

So I checked my cards before the guy on my right and then said, "Ok, it's cool, you go or No, fold.".

I would have given him lessons on basic sentence construction.

BrokenArrows

RoundTower wrote:

I'm pretty sure this a) did happen, b) isn't really cheating

This is cheating. Its collusion. They are exchanging information about their holdings.

fixer

no, it's one player telling another what to do. the other player doesn't have to do it, and gets no info about gold's hand. it's a neat psychological trick.

BrokenArrows

id gold was just saying this in the game without any prior conversation then it would be a psychological trick but the fact that there was an agreement between the players which means that they were cheating and each was benefiting from it.

a147pro

Yep I posted this at the time in the Jamie Gold is a w*nker thread. It is 100% collusion and he should prob (I'm not sure what the WSOP position is) be given a 10 minute ban.

By analogy, theres a great dealer story of a final table, three handed and one player gets a 10 minute ban for cursing. Next hand one of the remaining guys raises, other player says 'what are you doing just keep folding and we'll split his blinds'. Other player agrees they both get a 10 minute ban for collusion.

Which as I recall is how I won my first online tournie. 7 of 9 players on a betfair final table got disconnected. TOok me a few hands to cop on that everyone was folding immediately to the same player's raise. Started reraising him and we agreeed to split the blinds until two of us left. Would have been recorded in the CHat I presume so prob should have been taken up on it by Betfair.

The Ace Face

I was in poker hibernation for 6 months around WSOP, only tracked progress of the few Irish guys who went deep. Why has dick head only received half the money so far?

Yes it is cheating, if that was against me for 12m I'd smack him

Ray

RoundTower

BrokenArrows wrote:

This is cheating. Its collusion. They are exchanging information about their holdings.

In the same tournament (by coincidence) there was this nice young Jewish kid from America wearing a PokerStars top. He really liked to have a good hand when he played. So I told him "I really like you so I'm going to be nice to you here. I'm not going to raise your blinds without a good hand. So don't call if I raise, OK? If I pass it's OK for you to play."

cardshark202

This isn't cheating, its speechplay.

Ollieboy

I've watch a lot of Jamie Golds final table and how he got to the final table, 1 hes a total wanker and next year I'm given a big percentage to charity, because it seems to get most players to the final table and all the media wanting interviews. 2 he cheated. On many occasions he told people his hand and told them when to fold etc, its a thin line between speech play and discussing hands while there still in play, he also did speech play when other people where to act behind him. He should have been given 10 minutes for each time, but because he was in the media attention and given the sponsor what he want, he was allowed to get away with it. Even the commentators where shock and discussed at some of this speech and actions.

WSOP is a joke of a event and the people running have no respect for players, just TV. Phil Helmuth was allowed into the room, behind the barriers talk to other players while hands in play, my family were force to que outside and weren't allowed anywhere near my table, so its 1 rule for some people another rule for others.

I'm glad to see his picture is not been added to the wall of winners in Binnons, as he bad for poker in general, I dont think he's a bad player, but did have amazing run of luck and outplayed a lot of good players.

RoundTower

Ollieboy wrote:

I've watch a lot of Jamie Golds final table and how he got to the final table, 1 hes a total wanker and next year I'm given a big percentage to charity, because it seems to get most players to the final table and all the media wanting interviews. 2 he cheated. On many occasions he told people his hand and told them when to fold etc, its a thin line between speech play and discussing hands while there still in play, he also did speech play when other people where to act behind him. He should have been given 10 minutes for each time, but because he was in the media attention and given the sponsor what he want, he was allowed to get away with it. Even the commentators where shock and discussed at some of this speech and actions.

lol

5starpool

Speech play is part and parcel of the game, I don't really see what the problem is personally.

Ollieboy

RoundTower wrote:

lol

POINT!

Doc Farrell

Ollie, where did you hear that his picture isn't being added to the wall?

edit: lazy me.
1010http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/1/wsop-champions-wall-two-stories.htm

58o

Its just the latest in a long line of jealous haters ragging on JG for winning the wsop . Its getting old. Sure the guy had some luck but FFS its a poker TOURNAMENT, a bastardised version of the true game. You have to get lucky to win it. The only evidence most people have of how he plays is a heavily edited selection of a fraction of the hands he played in the overall tourney. He knew how to use a big stack and messed with his opponents heads nicely. END of story.His personality off the table is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned. lf se And speechplay isnt cheating especially if the pots heads up. I bet if gus hansen of negreneau made some of the same moves when in the same situation, the internet multitudes would be queuing round the block to suck their cocks.

And kudos to him for not making some PR stunt "look at what a caring person i am" donation to charity after winning. I think its pretty serving when some players do this.The money will do the same amount of good if you quietly write a check to your charity of choice after winning although you will not be able to feel quite so smug.


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ocallagh

I actually think he's a good player. He has a good record prior to the WSOP and in all fairness, you must have some level of skill to get to the FT of an 8 thousand player event.

Even the previous year Dannamen springs to mind as being a total idiot, but I saw him play some really good aggresive poker.

58o

The Pro-Jamie Gold backlash starts here. Long live the king!

Hitman Actual

The backlash towards Gold stems from the fact that he comes across as being an arrogant abnoxious fcuking idiot, who believes he reinvented tournament poker on his way to winning the ME. A bit of humility wouldn't go astray. He ran extremely well for that week, but so did Raymer the year he won. You obviously have to run well to win any tournament.

He's not a terrible player, but his record before the WSOP was on a par with someone who does well in the Fitz EOM game. NickyODs blog goes through the hands he played (that were shown on ESPN), and he's definately no Phil Ivey. In one hand he didn't even know the price he needed to call with a draw, iirc.

I currently rate him as the Jade Goody of the poker world.

LuckyLloyd

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PPP-Pit Boss

IF, it is true then personally I think it is a disgrace. After all if it is a pre-arrangement between the players then he has an unfair advantage over the other players at the table.
If it is simply rumour and jibing at JG then it is equally disgraceful on the part of a bunch of jealous morons.

If he did this imho he has absolutlely no right to prize-money whatsoever, or indeed the half of it he managed to get.

sendic

RoundTower wrote:

In the same tournament (by coincidence) there was this nice young Jewish kid from America wearing a PokerStars top. He really liked to have a good hand when he played. So I told him "I really like you so I'm going to be nice to you here. I'm not going to raise your blinds without a good hand. So don't call if I raise, OK? If I pass it's OK for you to play."

in your example you're speechplaying a player behind you. in the OP gold was speechplaying a player in front of him. ("So I checked my cards before the guy on my right"). not exactly the same thing. i dont know if its cheating or not though.

lenny_leonard wrote:

I currently rate him as the Jade Goody of the poker world.

lol. thats possibly the best insult i've ever heard.

RoundTower

58o wrote:

The Pro-Jamie Gold backlash starts here. Long live the king!

yeah I like him so much more now that everyone seems to hate him. Largely because people's opinions of tourney players they see on TV are always laughably incorrect.

califano

Its speechplay. The guy has a choice. Its not as if Gold was saying "If you raise im goin to shoot yer Da".
I watched Gold on the FT and thought his behaviour was ok the whole way through. The reporters and some media went way over the top on him imo. Nobody said anything about the other players snied remarks at the table as to how lucky he kept getting.

Fatboydim

I think it's speechplay. I don't like it, but it's only collusion if the player on his right actually starts doing what he says. Gold was being very verbal all the time... I think this was only part of it. I recall on the ESPN footage him saying to people you don't have to call me. You don't want to put your tournament on the line. Is that the hand you want to go out with etc. This is another example of it. The guy isn't very errudite so probably didn't think of the implications of his interview. But considering every hand he played at the FT was seen and recorded collusion can be rulled out.

Mind you Ollie made me laugh with the tale of his parents woe... Just wait til Phil Hellmuth comes to Ireland eh? We'll keep Mr and Mrs H at the back of the queue.

MrPillowTalk

I dont think its cheating.

ocallagh

lenny_leonard wrote:

He's not a terrible player, but his record before the WSOP was on a par with someone who does well in the Fitz EOM game. NickyODs blog goes through the hands he played (that were shown on ESPN), and he's definately no Phil Ivey. In one hand he didn't even know the price he needed to call with a draw, iirc.

I currently rate him as the Jade Goody of the poker world.

But people who do well in the Fitz EOM game are good players! Gold made 100k (possibly more) in the 12 months prior to the WSOP which is not bad for a part time tourny player.

DubTony

58o wrote:

... Sure the guy had some luck but FFS its a poker TOURNAMENT, ...

:eek:

I watched the ESPN broadcasts and based on the hands shown, my dead granny could have won that tournament with his cards.

For the record, I've don't care enough about Jamie Gold to have an opinion of him.