Hook Head....Unbelievable

zuutroy · 16-01-2007 10:26pm #1

A 3rd ship has sunk there today. Cousins of mine died when their trawler sunk back about 17 years ago, and since then it seems like two or three boats go down there a year, but 3 in a week. Eerie, especially as the marine department wouldnt release their report into the accident in 1990.

Mods, wasnt sure where to put this. Do as you will.

Silverfish · 16-01-2007 10:31pm

<conspiracy> isn't that the place where there is supposedly a lot of submarine activity? </end conspiracy>

Woman at work said it, but she says a lot of stuff.

mike65 · 16-01-2007 10:32pm

We nearly need a sea/sailing forum at this stage. The guys who's boat sank today were out looking for the 7 who died earlier which frankly beggars belief. There is no way anyone should be out there until the current stormy spells passes (in about 4/5 days by the looks of it).

Mike.

ps woman at work is an asshole. You can tell her I said so!

zuutroy · 16-01-2007 10:40pm

Silverfish wrote:

<conspiracy> isn't that the place where there is supposedly a lot of submarine activity? </end conspiracy>

Woman at work said it, but she says a lot of stuff.

I've done a bit of looking around and the area is popular for cable laying subs, but I'm sure its a case of putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5

Silverfish · 16-01-2007 10:47pm

Personally I would imagine its got a lot to do with currents / bad weather simultaneously.

Its pretty awful though.

Flukey · 16-01-2007 10:53pm

At least both of the crew were safely rescued.

Wishbone Ash · 16-01-2007 10:59pm

mike65 wrote:

We nearly need a sea/sailing forum at this stage!

A Marine Forum may be more appropriate as a Sailing and Boating Forum already exists.

mike65 · 17-01-2007 12:23am

Doh! :oops

Mike.

Wishbone Ash · 17-01-2007 12:27am

mike65 wrote:

Doh! :oops

Mike.

Jesus Mike, with 21,867 posts I would have expected better.

Adam · 17-01-2007 12:54am

Yeah, get a girlfriend!

Captain Trips · 17-01-2007 2:16am

Silverfish wrote:

<conspiracy> isn't that the place where there is supposedly a lot of submarine activity? </end conspiracy>

Woman at work said it, but she says a lot of stuff.

TBH, I am totally paranoid anyway, but submarine was the first thing I thought of when I read the headline about a huge wave hitting the boat.

admiralofthefleet · 17-01-2007 6:19am

just heard on the radio that the third trawler went down off tuskar rock, isnt that the same place an aer lingus plane crashed in the 1930's...conspiracy

Wishbone Ash · 17-01-2007 7:39am

admiralgar wrote:

isnt that the same place an aer lingus plane crashed in the 1930's...conspiracy

1968

testicle · 17-01-2007 6:34pm

Captain Trips wrote:

TBH, I am totally paranoid anyway, but submarine was the first thing I thought of when I read the headline about a huge wave hitting the boat.

Submarines don't cause waves, huge or otherwise.

zuutroy · 17-01-2007 6:52pm

How do you come to that conclusion?

sonners · 18-01-2007 11:33pm

You should'nt believe everything you read in the paper Koko. I can tell by your post that you dont know the boat in question and are basing your opinion on hearsay and possibly the picture of the boat in the papers which was taken after the boat was hit by a Bell liner in 1999.

The boat is one of the safest and most well equipment in the southeast. Not only did it meet regulations but it exceeded them. It was on its way to Howth for aesthetic repairs if you may. Being done while the weather was too bad to fish. The only reason it wasnt fishing the last week is cos it was out on the search for the other fisherman who unfortunately are still missing.

Personally I think it is those men and their families that we should be focusing our attention on instead of making misinformed remarks about what may or may not have happened.

koko3100 · 19-01-2007 12:01am

sonners
Believe me I am think of the me n lost , I knew a few of them a while back
I am not basing my opinion on the papers or some picture in the new just the case as I see it ,you are right you should nt believe every thing you hear in
the news
Really though do you call pulling a shaft out asthetic , The renegade was built in 1968 in De Helder Holland as a beam trawler , it has since been converted & renamed twice
Have a look here http://www.findafishingboat.com/listings.php?cid=8 you would nearly have to give away a boat like her

junkyard · 19-01-2007 1:03am

I think the waters a bit shallow around there for underwater submarine activity tbh, I heard a couple of people mention that one of the trawlers may have hit a submerged container that was washed off a container ship. It would probably account for one of the trawlers being broken up. A lot more needs to be done from a safety point of view as far as I'm concerned, its one of the most dangerous jobs.:(

sonners · 19-01-2007 10:59am

I know she was built in '68 koko. But for reference, go down to Dunmore and ask a few fishermen how old their boats are? She was one of the newest boats of her size. The irish fishing fleet is one of the oldest in Europe, if not The oldest. This is due to many things (lack of government grants being the main one) but the point is she was'nt as old and decrepit as you are making out.

And all I can see from your link is the abundence of wooden hulled boats we have in our community. The Renegade was a stell hulled boat - very very big difference.

But I do agree with your feelings on the families of the poor men who were lost. It just wrecks my head when I hear people speculating about things they dont know about (I'm not directing this at you personally). You mention you knew some of the men that are missing so I'm sure you've heard just a much sh*t as I have from people that never stepped foot on a fishing boat in their life. Unfortunately the only people that will ever know what really went on last week are the peole we're still looking for.

KerranJast · 19-01-2007 11:37am

I heard on the radio that all Irish vessels have to have a monitoring system, VMS, installed on them so the Navy can keep track of them. Surely it wouldn't be difficult for the Navy to automatically radio a ship who's VMS goes offline for a period of time. It could speed up rescue attempts for striken vessels. If an airplane disappears off radar/regular radio contact warning lights start going off. Why isn't the same true of ships? We don't exactly have a vast fishing fleet anymore do we.

sonners · 19-01-2007 11:52am

The monitoring system the navy have is there to prevent illegal fishing as opposed to monitor safety. They use it to make sure your where you say you are and that your not fishing too far out/too close to shore. I know of numerous occasions where boats have been contacted by the navy within 30 minutes of this equipment breaking. They will ring, ask you where you are, whats goin on and either come check on you or tell you to go back to land until its fixed.

It has been questioned by some of the fisherman (as you have also pointed out) as to why the disappearance of the HoneyDew II off of their monitoring system was not noted earlier. Especially when it was such a stormy night.

Supposedly (I'm not in a position to say for definite) it could have helped raise the alarm up to six hours before it was actually raised. It should be acknowledged though that the navy (along with the rest of the coastal services) would have been preoccupied that night with the sinking of the Pere Charles. There is'nt another night in local memory where two boats have gone down within hours of each other. Its a predicament everybody hoped could'nt happen.

Hook Head....Unbelievable

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