FTP 11K FT hand

strewelpeter

I can't find the HH but I hope all there’s enough info here to make it worthwhile.

This is a Full Tilt 1000+ runner $24 mtt.

We have just got to the FT after a protracted, hard fought three and two table bubble.
Next out gets $500 and it goes up to $3500 for 2nd and $5500 for winner.
I had been fairly aggressive during the bubble and its paid off, I’m in second /third place and there are 4 of the 8 remaining shortstacked, though with blinds of 15000 / 30000 3000 ante Chip Leaders at 800K is only an M of about 12.
I have tried to watch the other tables for the last hour but haven't got a lot of info on the new players. I had noticed that the CL has been aggressive, dominating and apparently only getting called with big hands...the main thing I have noticed is that he has been in the top 20 or so ever since I first noticed his name at the end of the first hour (six hours ago!!!) and he's been top 3 for three hours and a clear CL all through the bubble so I reckon he must be pretty good to be holding that position for so long. I wasn't too happy to land as button to his bb when FT was formed, I guess I had in my head that he's the one I don't want to tangle with early on FT.

Probably worth noting that I've lost sleep, confidence and a bit of self respect after a horribly played cash hand in the Fitz the previous night, without getting into all the sordid details I donated 120 hard earned profit (or a potential 800 that the pot woulda been) to 'the one player I didn't want to tangle with' when I called his flop re raise without an absolutely clear plan of what I was going to do next and then lost my bottle and ran away from his (100% inevitable) putting me all in on the turn...Anyway least said soonest mended on that one but the general principle is similar here.
The other thing on my mind is that I have been making more than my fair share of FT's in the last few months but other than taking down a 90 runner one last week, I have usually been one of the first two or three out for the pisspoor payout for all that effort.

So the hand:
I'm holding about 500K and there are 4 stacks of less than 250K three of whom I will have position on. But this time I'm UTG and I'm expecting that SB (140K after posting) and or BB (175K after posting) will shove with any two decent cards.
I find AKs utg and put in a raise to 120K hoping to get jiggy with the blinds (comments...). Two past me CL reraises to 240K the blinds and everyone else fold.

Call, fold or shove?

Iago

shove

call isn't an option really, and if you fold you're back amongst the short stacks so what's the point in folding to move up 1 or 2 spaces, or risk all your chips with a lesser semi-bluff type move.

CL could be using his stack to run over the table, or he could be holding AA/KK. I would expect to be 50/50 or dominating here a high % of the time. From the point of view of winning the FT I would call here, because I think if you called here everytime you would make more money than you lose.

kebabfest

a nasty min raise there defo suggests KK or AA. That is a real tough spot.
However you did say he was aggresive, so his range could be a lot wider including everything from 99 up ?
What is your table image like ?
Putting myself in your shoes I am probably going ALL-IN as if I win the hand I should at least finish 2nd or 3rd.
I dont like calling as you are a bit intimidated by him , so a non A or K on the flop and he is taking the pot away from you.
I would favour a SHOVE, but wouldnt diss a FOLD too much if you have a good read that his raise is a serious hand.

DeadParrot

i hear a bad beat a coming

BigCityBanker

very tricky spot, I think id shove. the min raise stinks btw.

ianmc38

Shove for me.

tribulus

You're only leaving 260K behind into a 500K+ pot if you call, giving the CL 3:1 to call your shove on the flop. If you're folding a missed flop you're then left fairly short yourself (crap structure btw).

I'm not liking the min raise at all, especially after a strong raise UTG he has to give you credit for a hand. It really looks like he's trying to suck you in.

I'm leaning towards a shove but I expect to see AA/KK a lot here, at best racing with a lower pair, I'd be surprised to see AQ or less.

Ste05

Shove pretty quick, if he has AA or KK so be it.

LuckyLloyd

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strewelpeter

Thanks for the responses.

I was in danger of giving this guy too much respect, and the min raise here was clever but feck it after last night horror and my last few FT's I just have to not overthink it- just had to find my balls and go for the fairly clear shove.

So anyway I shoved and gritted my teeth as he used all his time before calling with AQ (Fair play Lloyd, I was really shocked)

Miracle of Miracles the K held up, and despite a couple of shaky moments heads up, I was able to roll over the table like a hungry jackal let loose in a wildebeast creche :cool: Happy days.

The only bad beat was the next morning my horse obsessed daughter had found out about the win and had it all spent on her equine fantasies. Of course I told her I'd get her a pony....and she could spend the whole €25 on whatever she liked.

The point to this, if there is one (other than it being a thinly disguised I took down a 1000 runner muli thread ), is that if I'm willing to face up to my mistakes (chickening out the pot in the fitz was awful) and keep doing the right thing despite it not always paying off (my last six months of FT's) It will all work out beautifully in the end

Regarding the structures... they were fine up until the last couple of levels, I think this tourney is designed for 500 runners (guaranteed for 450) but there are over 1000 that night and we are playing seven hours by then. The only time I played it before it was over in about 5 hours.

marius

I shove here too.

A) CL could be at it
CL could have AJ (ish), AQ
C) CL could have QQ-
D) CL could have AA or KK

only 1 of those is really bad for you....

Also if there is over 24K in the prizepool and the winner is only getting 5,500 the tourney structure is a load of b£%ox

EDIT: Do'h - too late

Lazare

Well done Tony. Great result.

Ps, BB-WOW(brag) stickie maybe???:p

Only kiddin, well done.

NickyOD

Anyone else think limp-raising all in might have been good line here.

kebabfest

not a bad line to limp raise all-in.

strewelpeter

NickyOD wrote:

Anyone else think limp-raising all in might have been good line here.

With short stacks in the blinds I'd be afraid of someone else having a go first...
and so what if they do?
but on the other hand you have a reasonable chance of attracting a couple of limpers in which case one of the blinds ought to push (which is what we're hoping for in any case ).

sounds like the right plan .

Iago

NickyOD wrote:

Anyone else think limp-raising all in might have been good line here.

Nothing wrong with limp-raising all-in here. Only slight issue I have is that it's entirely possible it goes all the way around without a raise and then what do you do on a bad flop.

but it being the FT, and a number of shortstacks on the table somebody would probably have a pop at it.