Poor Marty

FlutterinBantam

What happened poor Marty???

Got the heave from 2. Is this an aftershock from the Century thing or did he just not fit in?.

Personally I thought he was OK,loved everybody,never a bad word to say about anyone?Always in good middle of the road form.

Collins and Cahill would want to start actually having opinions of their own if thats the criteria for an exit

mike65

from unison

"The last JNLRs [listenership figures] were the final nail in the coffin for the breakfast show," an insider said. "The poor performance was having a knock-on effect on the Gerry Ryan show, so it was decided to bite the bullet."

Mr Clarke has struggled to replace Ryan Tubridy's 'The Full Irish' in the all-important breakfast slot since Tubridy switched to Radio One almost two years ago.

'The Rick and Ruth Show', presented by Rick O'Shea and Ruth Scott, was axed after six months because of falling listenership, and Mr Whelan (50) was brought in to steady the ship in September 2005.

However, the JNLR figures from late last year showed that his audience had dwindled by 27,000, while Gerry Ryan's had fallen by 28,000.

It is understood that Whelan, who is on holidays and could not be contacted for comment, will be offered a weekend show.

Hows that for managment? I presume they did tell him before it was made public.

Mike.

FlutterinBantam

Interesting..verry interesting!!

So all the auld clapped out, worn out donkeys will be "offered a weekend slot"??

Who can we expect to see there next, Val Joyce, Bunny Carr, Ciarán Mac Mathúna,Myles Dungan,Liam Nolan???

I dunno Mike

byte

I read an article in the Sunday World :rolleyes: about Marty being replaced so that G Ryan would remain at 2fm. Apparently, the falling ratings of the show before Gerry Ryan's is to blame for Gerry's falling ratings.

THe paper suggests Gerry has been in talks with Newstalk.

Sizzler

Poor sod Have to say I wouldnt be a huge fan as Id usually sway towards spin or today fm in the mornings but he wins hands down versus FM104 clowns and the disaster that it is 98fm in the mornings

I hope they fall flat on their face on 2fm, I really dont think the rural community are going to be tuning in to listen to "Gavin" etc.

Pi55 poor decision by 2fm, smacks of desperation!

zuutroy

byte wrote:

I read an article in the Sunday World :rolleyes: about Marty being replaced so that G Ryan would remain at 2fm. Apparently, the falling ratings of the show before Gerry Ryan's is to blame for Gerry's falling ratings.

THe paper suggests Gerry has been in talks with Newstalk.

Really! I though GR was well and truly institutionalised. Could never see him going to Newstalk. I never minded Marty, used to listen when driving to work when I lived in Ireland. He was nice and easy on the ear at that delicate hour of the morning. Always cheerful and sympathetic about the early hour. WTF do people want in the morning.

FlutterinBantam

Someone with a bit more "edge" than Marty but not in your face too much.

To be fair Tubridy nearly got that equation correct.

byte

The article I'm referring to, from Radiowaves.fm

http://www.radiowaves.fm/newsstand/sundayworld/070114.gif

mike65

The underlying approach to ditching Wheelan and Gogan (whatever thier respective good and bad points) is completely wrong-headed. If RTE had a whit of sense they'd be formatting (God I hate that term) the output to repell the core of the 15-35 age cohort, not chasing down the dopes who's radios are hardwired to FM104 or 98FM.

Mike.

bbability

No matter what people think or say RTE 2fm will become what it should always have been, a public serving station for 15-34 year olds. Marty or Larry losing slots should not become a bitter thing. They should have been gone a long time ago from 2fm and RTE should have set up a public serving station for the over 35s. Its not Larry's not Marty's fault for that. For years RTE have been cramming 3 or 4 different sections of broadcasting into 2 radio stations and only now is it starting to hit home that they also forgot about the "next generation" of listeners. Its a simple case of planning for the future. No youth listening today means no over 35s listening in twenty years time. (Just ask eircom about that one, they realised that their customers age profile was getting older so they bought Meteor a year or two ago) Poaching the guys from Hume House is a fantastic move. Love them or hate them, they have as indviduals, excellent CV's in this industry, the highest listenership (other than Morning Ireland) in Dublin for years and I wish them the best of luck at their new home. May the 2fm revival continue to serve the 15-34 year olds of this country. Its long overdue.

ciaran76

I have nothing against Marty Whelan but he always reminded me of the uncle you only see about once a year and then they tried to be funny and you laugh along just to keep them happy but deep down you hated every minute of it.

I think he would be more suited to an more mature audience then the morning show slot. I was actually shocked when I heard he got the breakfast show as it just doesn't suit him.

Big Tone

Moral of the story for all radio DJs: NEVER take holidays, you'll get shafted while your away! Time for an RTE Radio 1 1/2 ?

FlutterinBantam

Radio 1 and1/2 nooo way.... blander than warm milk, who would we have?

Lorcan Murray on the "hard issues"

Ronan Collins for the "tough interviews"

Olin McGowan for the "hard hitting political debate on current issues"

Maxi for exposés in the murky world of pop

Des Cahill for "the workin mans view" "and take a pop at MU slot" Hrmmph snigger gruuunt yeah rooight.

Joe Jackson for the "anything to do with recording slot" and to fill in the month of December

Derek Mooney for the "High pitched shrieking wacky side" of radio 1 1/2

Marty Whelan for current affairs .."hard nosed Marty gets to the bottom of issues with a no holds barred edge of the seat reporting style"


Padraig O'Rourke for "cutting edge heavy metal rock with the emphasis on up and coming talent"


Jaysus!!! We could have a winner here.

super_furry

mike65 wrote:

from unison

Hows that for managment? I presume they did tell him before it was made public.

Mike.

I'd imagine it was a case of him being told, then given a week's holiday.

bbability

Big Tone wrote:

Moral of the story for all radio DJs: NEVER take holidays, you'll get shafted while your away! Time for an RTE Radio 1 1/2 ?

I've been saying it for a long time now Big Tone. Its long overdue. RTE 1 should be split into Talk Radio/Classical and Oldies/ MOR Music just like BBC Radio 2 and 4 respectively

Marty and Shane both getting the digs in this morning yet again. I can understand the feeling of dissapointment but please guys don't be bitter. This morning he played Bruce Hornsby's "That's the way it is" and SOD blabs out "our 15 to 34 years will know this from 2pac's Changes". Well maybe of you were playing 2pac instead of Bruce Hornsby, you might still have a job!
They'll be hard for anyone to listen to for the next 4-6 weeks if they carry on like that.

legspin

zuutroy wrote:

Really! I though GR was well and truly institutionalised.

He should be.:mad: :mad: :mad:

The real reason I don't listen to 2FM is the off chance I may hear that obnoxious gob****e. Most of the presenters are innoffensive in the main but Ryan is a character I have no time for at all.

fobs

"I have nothing against Marty Whelan but he always reminded me of the uncle you only see about once a year and then they tried to be funny and you laugh along just to keep them happy but deep down you hated every minute of it."

Sums up my thoughs completely. HATED listening to him. like "live at three" on radio!

FlutterinBantam

Kinda "smell of p1ss" from the show.

Is that what you are trying to say??

mickd

bbability wrote:

No matter what people think or say RTE 2fm will become what it should always have been, a public serving station for 15-34 year olds. May the 2fm revival continue to serve the 15-34 year olds of this country. Its long overdue.

Well said . I think Lyric should be an oldies, MOR station with a bit of classical thrown in. IMO there simply is not a market for a classical radio station in this country especially one as elitist as Lyricfm. Either your BBC Radio3 or Classicfm you can't be both.

mike65

I always though Lyric should be a classical jazz and blues station!

Mike.

DMC

mike65 wrote:

I always though Lyric should be a classical jazz and blues station!

Nice!

daveirl

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mike65

Yep!

Mike.

Liam Byrne

SOD blabs out "our 15 to 34 years will know this from 2pac's Changes". Well maybe of you were playing 2pac instead of Bruce Hornsby, you might still have a job!

I'm barely outside this notional "15 to 34" audience that everyone keeps going on about, but let me get this straight:

15 to 34 year olds would prefer to listen to some sampled rip-off from someone who can't sing and wants to sell ringtones, rather than acknowledge the original writer/composer/artist and thereby broadening their musical taste with the full context and impact of an original writer ?

Jeez......I sincerely hope they never lift the restrictions on The Beatles catalogue! :eek:

One other point: RTE is a public service broadcaster; while they do need to have some generic popular stuff to make some money to keep going, their aim should be to provide services in the public interest that are otherwise not available.

In that context, RTE Radio 2 was set up to counteract the pirates and play songs for the 15-34 year olds or whatever; now that these are catered for, there's a strong argument that RTE 2fm should be, as Mike alluded to, aiming for a different unserviced gap - like BBC Radio 2.

Spewing out what Spin and Beat and Red are doing in a competitive environment is NOT what public service broadcaster should have as its main remit; do enough to stay viable, sure (the same as they do with the TV) but don't have "competition" as your core strategy.

Fulton Crown

Marty - just a bit too bland fer my likin... a few opinions would be welcome

superdudeman007

Sizzler wrote:

I hope they fall flat on their face on 2fm

You mean they haven't already? It's a national youth/popular music station.

The low number of young listeners is a direct result of "The Early Pisstake... i mean err... Show", followed by Marty Whelan (Can you outsmart Marty?), followed by Gerry Ryan (Definately number 1 amongst teenagers), followed by Larry Gogan ("Yes that was released 50 years before most of our target audience were born"), then a bit later on we have Avril Hoare. She's only known to 2fm's target market because "Hoare" sounds like "whore".

Add in "[Aussie gravel in a blender] Livin' the Life, Lovin' the Music, (* DJ's name *), 90 to 92, 2 [5 seconds] f [5 seconds] m....." and you have the most badly organised "youth" station on the planet. No wonder they're performing badly.

superdudeman007

Why don't they rename 2fm "Radio 2" and keep it up until with the older 2fm DJs and the music programmes from Radio 1. That would make Radio 1 completely speech/news based. Then open a REAL YOUTH STATION! With young DJs who know something about the music they're playing.

FlutterinBantam

Good idea.. whatl'l we call it?

Boom boom boom bang bang duh duh dhuh duh duh duh

eamon234

WTF does John Clarke know? If you ask me he's the big problem in 2FM - yet another failed DJ turned producer who thinks he knows it all - what about the sh1te HE plays on Sunday afternoons it's the worst drivel I've ever heard in my life and the reason no-one listens to 2FM on a Sunday

eamon234

Fulton Crown wrote:

Marty - just a bit too bland fer my likin... a few opinions would be welcome

Is it me or is Marty overly camp? He was always playing camp music and talking about womens shoes and shopping and Desperate bloody Housewives maybe they were just trying to get him to be more appealing to the housewives but frankly I found it a bit annoying after a while and moved back over to cranky Dempsey (although I did get a DVD player out of him before I left - thanks Marty!)

It was also a bit much the way they so blatantly ripped off Gift Grub -- that made it so obvious that the show was in trouble

superdudeman007

eamon234 wrote:

WTF does John Clarke know? If you ask me he's the big problem in 2FM - yet another failed DJ turned producer who thinks he knows it all - what about the sh1te HE plays on Sunday afternoons it's the worst drivel I've ever heard in my life and the reason no-one listens to 2FM on a Sunday

And if you Google "Kieran Muray's Homepage" and play a few of the Nova jingles, you'll notice that the jingles John Clarke plays are 20 years old and haven't even been remade for 2fm, apart from the "Radio Nova" bit being removed, eg that high pitched "Playing your favourites - JOHN CLARKE!" one.

eamon234 wrote:

It was also a bit much the way they so blatantly ripped off Gift Grub

Yeah, and some of it is just disgusting too. The way they slag off David Norris(at least the bits I've heard) just aren't funny at all - it might be funny if they were only doing it because he's a senator, but they're not. I wonder if they've received any complaints about it. (I personally couldn't be arsed - the show is screwed as it is)

DMC

superdudeman007 wrote:

And if you Google "Kieran Muray's Homepage" and play a few of the Nova jingles, you'll notice that the jingles John Clarke plays are 20 years old and haven't even been remade for 2fm, apart from the "Radio Nova" bit being removed, eg that high pitched "Playing your favourites - JOHN CLARKE!" one.

Um... it's an oldies show, so he plays old jingles too?

The Boy Wonders

OMG It has all suddenly become CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I had NO IDEA!

THIS GUY is in charge of what goes out on 2fm??

Slicklink

Marty did not fit in at 2fm. The uncle reference earlier in this thread nailed it on the head for me. Too out of touch and far too cheesy.

Re John Clarke I dont envy his job as I wonder is he really calling the shots. This whole 2fm identity crisis has been going on for a long time now. Finally something is being done. This was eluded to originally when they dropped Fanning into R1. Poaching independent talent is a big move by RTE. It shows the changing tide within RTE radio Management. Larry and Marty were obvious casualties. Ryan however was driving the big morning move as he pulls in the huge numbers and advertising revenue..... and Marty was having an adverse effect on the figures as has been reported widely. Forget all the public service drivel talk, 2fm is very profitable and might get even more so when they have a clear demographic.

marclt

2FM has always had a peculiar music mix. Its been a bit of everything, whatever the DJ wanted - so there hasn't been a hard and fast style. So you end up getting allsorts of cheesy oldies crap. It had an audience because there was no real alternative outside Dublin.

It should have been more youth orientated a long time ago. Has it missed the boat? Youth stations are now popping up all over the place... The presenters really need to be a bit more gritty..

As for Gerry Ryan... his format is probably getting a little bit tired... the newspapers just after 9, his interviews, the reporter on the street etc etc. If Marty lost 27,000 listeners and Gerry lost 28,000 then an extra 1,000 turned off whilst they were listening to Gerry... Maybe the listeners want MORE music in the morning??

FlutterinBantam

I think what happened to Ryan is he is too intent on plugging the daughter, pluggin the places that give him free grub/travel/accomodation and the country has copped on to him.

He is no longer plausable and I for one adopt a cynical attitude to any opinions he may offer with a "What's in in for him" attitude.

The "there's no such thing as a free dinner" situation has come home to roost and has hamstrung him to the extent is only auld guff that comes out of him now...

Way past sell by date...

magnumlady

I agree Gerry and Marty are both well passed their sell by date.
Too much yakking in the morning if you ask me. I'd like to hear more music.
Shame I can't use my internet radio in the car, but thank goodness for cds.

superdudeman007

DMC wrote:

Um... it's an oldies show, so he plays old jingles too?

Yup, and if they weren't bad enough the editing is a load of sh1t :

# Playing your favourites.. [SUDDEN PAUSE]
[2 second silence]
[Gravel in a blender guy]John Clarke... Livin the Life... etc etc]
[Nova jingle magically turns into 2fm jingle, followed by a crappy song from the 60s]

eamon234

The Boy Wonders wrote:

OMG It has all suddenly become CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I had NO IDEA!

THIS GUY is in charge of what goes out on 2fm??

Jesus they could have airbrushed him a little!

superdudeman007

Looks like someone from Country Mix 106 or whatever that Dublin station is called, not the head of Ireland's answer to BBC Radio 1...

FlutterinBantam

eamon234 wrote:

Jesus they could have airbrushed him a little!

:eek: Take more than an airbrush horse!!!.... frikken dumpster:D

superdudeman007

Ok.......

They noticed that a station that's meant to be like FM104, SPIN etc was failing.......... so they put him in charge????!!!!! :rolleyes: