[Article] Ryanair slams FG's Dublin airport proposal

Victor

Of course the FG plan is over something like a 20-year timeframe.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0109/dublinairport.html

Ryanair slams FG's Dublin airport proposal
09 January 2007 22:24

A proposal from Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny to develop a second airport in Dublin has been dismissed as 'stupidity' by Ryanair Chief Executive Michael O'Leary.

Mr Kenny said such a development would help ease congestion on the north side of Dublin.

However, Mr O'Leary said the construction of a second airport would be a scandalous waste of money. He said if an airport such as Gatwick in the UK with one runway can cater for over 40 million passengers a year, then so can Dublin Airport.

Mr O'Leary made his comments as the airline announced two new routes to Poland and the availability of five million free flights on the company's website.

The Ryanair Chief Executive said the new routes to Bydgoszcz and Gdansk were being put in place to cater for large numbers of Polish people travelling between Ireland and Poland.

This year Ryanair will introduce 22 new destinations from Dublin.

Fine Gael has rejected Mr O'Leary's criticism, saying passenger growth will dictate expansion and that planning into the future is something for which politicians must take responsibility.

therecklessone

From the other article you've posted Victor:

Mr O'Leary also described the proposal by Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny to build a second airport in Dublin as insane. He said Dublin's population was not big enough to sustain a second airport.

Stockholm, with a population of 1.6m has four airports, two of which MOL's airline serve. A couple of 100,000 more inhabitants and we'll have enough people for four Michael?

dowlingm

MOL is probably still hoping to build his own terminal on McEvaddy's land - Terminal PD I think it's called.

He's always complaining about Aer Rianta/DAA gold plating and now he's complaining about Dublin(Stansted) - time to exile you and your Easyjet/bmibaby mates to the southside MOL! Leave loads of room for airlines who actually want to provide service like through-checking/codesharing/cargo.

A Dub in Glasgo

I thought Ryanair were wanting to build another Airport for the Greater Dublin region a while back?

Within 36 miles of me there are 3 international airports (Glasgow - 15 miles, Prestwick - 36 miles & Edinburgh - 36 miles)

daveirl

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Avns1s

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I believe that's correct but it'd be a bit like me offering to build a house in which I would live, on your land, and not charge you for doing it!:D

Seth Brundle

weren't Ryanair going to hand over the running of their terminal to another (independant?) body (presumably not the DAA)?

Random

Wouldn't a second airport make you feel like you were living in a "proper city"?

therecklessone

kbannon wrote:

weren't Ryanair going to hand over the running of their terminal to another (independant?) body (presumably not the DAA)?

IIRC, that was the case, but the deal was dependant on Ryanair getting a sweet deal on user charges at the new terminal.

Calina

ciaranfo wrote:

Wouldn't a second airport make you feel like you were living in a "proper city"?

No. A functional public transport system might. We don't need two airports, just one efficient one. FG are clutching at straws here.

jjbrien

therecklessone wrote:

From the other article you've posted Victor:



Stockholm, with a population of 1.6m has four airports, two of which MOL's airline serve. A couple of 100,000 more inhabitants and we'll have enough people for four Michael?

Dont forget Belfast a city half the size of Dublin has 2 airports so I cant see why we cant have 2. Its good planning for the future. Im my book I would build a New Aiport on the same land at Dublin and then just demolish to old terminals and build another new terminal in its place as ther current aiport structre in Dublin is a mess.

daveirl

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jjbrien

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Ok where I am coming from is Belfast has 2 airports which compete aainst each other it gereraly drives prices down. Both airports have to keep developing new facilities to keep up with each other leading to better facilites to both passengers and airlines.

Seth Brundle

Are Belfast's two airports cheaper than most other airports in Ireland?

dowlingm

Belfast has two airports because the City airport is the runway for Shorts if I recall correctly? So that kind of fell into their lap. I believe no new airport should be considered if it means paving over a fully green space unless it means the complete closure and reclamation of another airfield (and the decontamination required will be Herculean).

If Dublin is to get a second airport it should be Baldonnel. Selling it to an operator like Ferrovial could generate a huge wad of cash for DoD although the operator would have to spend on a railway connection (fairly easy) and roads (trickier), not to mention a terminal building (tin plate not gold plate) and runway/taxiway/apron changes to conform to civil standards plus ILS CAT IIIA or IIIB to minimise diversions.

The taxpayer and traveller would probably end up spending less then on the ad hoc additions to DUB and the surrounding roads, with the money going into extending 10/28 for everything up to A380 but maybe only building the new parallel for A321 or B757 size to compromise with the Portmarnockites, minimising the easterly end except to provide emergency stopway and taxiway connection for approaches from or departures to the west. The addition of new full-service airline capacity replaces the lowcost losses to Bal but with more cargo and transit pax. Add a new cargo terminal and bob's your mother's brother.

The Air Corps could maintain a presence at Bal similar to the old Gormanston but better to get rid (would raise way more money unencumbered). The ministerial transport and maybe the cops should move to DUB - where government aircraft position to anyway in a scandalous waste of money and jet fuel consumption.

Move training and maritime patrol to a regional airport as a backdoor subsidy - maybe Shannon to compensate for losing the compulsory stopover and to maintain the rationale for keeping it H24 and an ETOPS diversion airport, maybe even for re-commissioning and extending runway 13/31. If the CASAs are far away then the politicians can hijack them less and from a patrol point of view probably makes more sense as a base. Shannon's probably the best bet given the ability to have a second, crosswind runway.

If Shannon won't do and a single runway base will then maybe Knock - might as well be some reason for it. Not Sligo (runway length - unless the DoD paid to extend the runway eastward by reclaiming the bay to the east - expensive I'd say), not Waterford (fog, bad location, poor access) and probably not Kerry as it might impact tourist wise to have a lot of movements over the Killarney Park. Not Galway, which probably should be moved to nearer Oranmore and the railway line anyway. Carrickfin would be taking the p!ss.

Put the rotary, especially the AW139s, in the Curragh to be closer to the Army who are the reason we got them.

jjbrien

dowlingm wrote:

Belfast has two airports because the City airport is the runway for Shorts if I recall correctly? So that kind of fell into their lap. I believe no new airport should be considered if it means paving over a fully green space unless it means the complete closure and reclamation of another airfield (and the decontamination required will be Herculean).

Belfast city recently got runway extensions and a new terminal so it is now able to cope with bigger aircraft. It is cheap to fly into Aldergrove because it way out of town. But you can ge very cheap flights from there. Alot of what you say dowlingm is good if you were in the dot things might be better

RadarControl

Dublin would not need a second airport if the 2nd Terminal and 2nd Runway are built. What we need is somebody with the guts to say we are doing something and actually do it.

• If I was Minister of Transport the 2nd Terminal would go out near the fire station. It would be connected to the existing terminal using an underground rail system which would also be connected to the proposed Metro stop. The 2nd Terminal would be designed to be able to take 30 million pax annually.
• Once the 2nd Terminal would be up and running I would start demolishing existing terminal on phased bases starting with Pier A and Pier B. I would use Pier C and Pier D and build a new terminal around them to handle 25 - 30million pax annually.
• I would also build a train link out to Malahide to give extra capacity to the metro considering it is not suppose to be just airport link. This would allow for greater intergration.
• For road users who would not be a position to use public transport to get to and from airport for early flights or late evening arrivals I would build a 4 lane expressway outside M50 starting on the M1 near Balbriggan and interconnecting with the N7 near Castlwarden.

jjbrien

RadarControl wrote:

Dublin would not need a second airport if the 2nd Terminal and 2nd Runway are built. What we need is somebody with the guts to say we are doing something and actually do it.

• If I was Minister of Transport the 2nd Terminal would go out near the fire station. It would be connected to the existing terminal using an underground rail system which would also be connected to the proposed Metro stop. The 2nd Terminal would be designed to be able to take 30 million pax annually.
• Once the 2nd Terminal would be up and running I would start demolishing existing terminal on phased bases starting with Pier A and Pier B. I would use Pier C and Pier D and build a new terminal around them to handle 25 - 30million pax annually.
• I would also build a train link out to Malahide to give extra capacity to the metro considering it is not suppose to be just airport link. This would allow for greater intergration.
• For road users who would not be a position to use public transport to get to and from airport for early flights or late evening arrivals I would build a 4 lane expressway outside M50 starting on the M1 near Balbriggan and interconnecting with the N7 near Castlwarden.

Isnt it amzing all the experts the goverment comes up with and people here on boards always have better ideass than the goverment. I have been saying the same thing as you but it falls in deaf ears. I have spoken to Enda Kenny and Olivia Mitchell on this but there away with fairys the has to be said fot the Minister or Bertie. They never look to the future.

1huge1

^^ but do you not ever think theres more to it, maybe the government and parties know something we dont like tax costs etc

dowlingm

RadarControl, I would have thought the same as you before seeing Pearson's new Terminal 1. They demolished old T1 and are in the process of decommissioning and demolishing T2. Eventually T1 will eat into T3 but that's a while away. Basically it's a central hub with massive hammerhead piers.

The nice thing they did was build an infield pier where 767 size and smaller aircraft can take on/unload passengers which are checked in in the main building and ferried out by bendy bus. This meant they could knock down 10-12 piers and redirect to the infield. They tunnelled under the runways so the bendy buses didn't conflict while heading out. All this is costing a sh!tload but if you had Baldonnel you wouldn't have to do it at quite such a breakneck pace as Pearson, which already handles 29.9mppa (2005) - the 29th biggest in the world.

I think this would be a great idea in Dublin - progressively rebuild the current T1 and use the old terminal which can't be knocked anyway) to check in passengers for the infield. Optimise it for interlining passengers, long haul and cargo and banish Ryanair, bmibaby, easyjet, centralwings etc. (who doesn't do any of those) to the cheap seats in south Dublin.

sceptre

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

I thought Ryanair were wanting to build another Airport
for the Greater Dublin region a while back?

If "a while back" can include Tony Ryan going on Kenny Live and saying vague things about how wonderful it would be to develop Baldonnell as a second airport for Dublin, then yes they were.

Victor

sceptre wrote:

If "a while back" can include Tony Ryan going on Kenny Live and saying vague things about how wonderful it would be to develop Baldonnell as a second airport for Dublin, then yes they were.

I think that was more about making sure it wasn't used, so he could then buy Lyons House, knowing he could use it in peace.