2pair on drawy board..

[nicK]

Game #3041431073: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2007/01/09 - 22:58:52 (UK)
Table "Skeptics" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: PFC_JUG ($22.11 in chips)
Seat 2: mesipok ($105.06 in chips)
Seat 3: Kasparoso ($16 in chips)
Seat 4: aman69 ($469.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Scrappyy ($196.28 in chips)
Seat 6: Anderssos ($164.75 in chips)
Scrappyy: posts small blind $0.50
Anderssos sits out
PFC_JUG: posts big blind $1

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HOLE CARDS

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dealt to Scrappyy [8h Qs]
mesipok: calls $1
Kasparoso: folds
aman69: folds
Scrappyy: calls $0.50
PFC_JUG: checks

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FLOP

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[Qc Jc 8d]
Scrappyy: bets $3
PFC_JUG: folds
mesipok: raises to $10
Scrappyy: calls $7

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TURN

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[Qc Jc 8d][7s]
Scrappyy: checks
mesipok: bets $19
Scrappyy: raises to $185.28 and is all-in
mesipok: is all-in $75.06
Returned uncalled bets $91.22 to Scrappyy

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RIVER

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[Qc Jc 8d 7s][7c]

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SHOW DOWN

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Scrappyy: shows [8h Qs] (Two Pairs, Queens and Eights, Jack high)
mesipok: shows [Qd Jh] (Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks, Eight high)
mesipok collected $208.12 from Main pot

got a feeling i played this all wrong..

maybe i should have reraised flop for more info??
bet turn??
i know i'm behind a lot here on the turn.. but i'm wondering i'm a ahead enough times to make this push +ev?

phantom_lord

[nicK] wrote:

i know i'm behind a lot here on the turn.. but i'm wondering i'm a ahead enough times to make this push +ev?

you're rarely gonna be ahead on the flop after that action, and a push imo, is never gonna be +evs since the only hands that call u are gonna be ahead.
I'd probably fold the flop, certainly the turn.I'd fold pf too.


the only thing he's rr with is qj or 9 10 or 88.


the push is terrible.

[nicK]

yeah, you pretty much summed it up..

terrible play.. fold>push>call imo..

don't know about folding preflop with a limper though.. and i don't think i can raise pf oop.. (one of those marginal sb hands i call with 1+ limpers)

cooker3

phantom_lord wrote:

you're rarely gonna be ahead on the flop after that action, and a push imo, is never gonna be +evs since the only hands that call u are gonna be ahead.
I'd probably fold the flop, certainly the turn.I'd fold pf too.


the only thing he's rr with is qj or 9 10 or 88.

What you don't think he would do this with aces or kings either?

phantom_lord

cooker3 wrote:

What you don't think he would do this with aces or kings either?

he wouldn't have limped in the first place


anyway, he should fold aces or kings to a push on the turn.

cooker3

phantom_lord wrote:

he wouldn't have limped in the first place


anyway, he should fold aces or kings to a push on the turn.

Oh I have seen people do it before. It's uncommon but not that uncommon and as for what he should. How often do playes at .50/1 do what you think they should do

As for the hand. I think I would just call turn and evaluate on the river.

phantom_lord

cooker3 wrote:

Oh I have seen people do it before. It's uncommon but not that uncommon and as for what he should. How often do playes at .50/1 do what you think they should do

As for the hand. I think I would just call turn and evaluate on the river.

people don't open limp much at 6 max, and pretty much never with aa/kk .

cardshark202

This is a definate fold preflop. As is stands, check-calling turn is ok.

valor

I would fold pf

flop is ok

I would prob c/c turn and c/f river