Poker tracker questions

Oodges

I started playing 5 max cash games about a month ago and purchased poker tracker, A couple of questions for those well versed in using the program:

First off, what are good (sustainable) winrates -in PTBB/100
for 1-2,2-4,3-6?
What are cut off points for VPIP in terms of too loose, too tight.
Do any of you guys use the add on programs and are they worth buying?
How many hands would one need to log before the stats start becoming meaningful?

Which other stats are useful/anything else I should know?
Any help appreciated.

Rb

Have you read this?. Its a pretty good read.

Gametime+ overlays the stats and is free, google it.

Bandara

just downloaded PT, didn't pay for it though

anyone know of an online tutorial etc for it? Want to get to know it soon as possible.

thanks

valor

read the link posted above Hammertime

Bandara

thanks valor, was just being lazy hoping there was an automated tutorial !

tribulus

You get the hang of it fairly quickly to be honest, although I agree it can look daunting at first!
Play some hands (you're allowed to import 1000hands free) or import some stored ones and it becomes more clear.

[nicK]

save me starting a new thread..

just set up a new a/c on ps and played 2000 hands tonight..
i'm wondering what these 4 stats say about me?

NL 6max..
vol put $ in pot: 25.63
pf raise: 20.82
pf af: 3.4
flop af: 5.2

most people on 2+2 are playing TAG.. with stats like 17/11 being the norm..
i'm wondering am i LAG? or am i caught somewhere in between?
i ask because i'm interested in knowing what range my opponents put me on pf and this might help..

(and i know 2000 hands isn't much to go by but my game doesn't change much at all.. every decision seems robotic now as i multitable so much)

valor

those stats are pretty laggy and are fine as long as you play well postflop and can adjust to people adjusting to you.

phantom_lord

my vpip is 25% and tbh I don't think I'd be comfortable playing tighter than that, 17% is crazy talk...

phantom_lord

just had a look at pt, filtered for players with 200+ hands, winners seem to be concentrated around the 20-25 mark, 30+are almost all losers. couple of 17/11 winners. don't have many with less than 17.

valor

Its alot easier to be a big winner for most players at low limits by playing 16/13 than playing 25/20

cooker3

Since I start playing ring games properly over 10k hands I am at 21.57 vpip, 12.67 pf raise and 2.87 af in general. It feels like I play more hands then that but I am 5.28 for bb/100 which is highest I have gotten so seems to work out. I go along with Valor, be easier to win money at those levels playing tight. I have people in my database at 11 vpip who are big winners.

jimbling

cooker3 wrote:

Since I start playing ring games properly over 10k hands I am at 21.57 vpip, 12.67 pf raise and 2.87 af in general. It feels like I play more hands then that but I am 5.28 for bb/100 which is highest I have gotten so seems to work out. I go along with Valor, be easier to win money at those levels playing tight. I have people in my database at 11 vpip who are big winners.

is that full ring or shorthanded?? very important difference. I just can't imagine a big winner with 11vpip 6handed.



Also, when we talk about the value of playing very tight (6handed - 16/13 etc) when on low limits. What are the different stages? when do we find we need to play a bit looser and with more imagination? 2/4?

Oodges

Do ppl tend to make or lose money in general from the small blind?
I'm pretty much breaking even-(very marginally positive) but think I might be being a little too loose calling preflop.
My SB VPIP is a whopping 52, -(my overall VPIP is 31, but this is 5 max so that's prob equivalent to 29/30 at 6 max)
What are other people's stat for this like?

Mr. Flibble

Oodges wrote:

Do ppl tend to make or lose money in general from the small blind?
I'm pretty much breaking even-(very marginally positive) but think I might be being a little too loose calling preflop.
My SB VPIP is a whopping 52, -(my overall VPIP is 31, but this is 5 max so that's prob equivalent to 29/30 at 6 max)
What are other people's stat for this like?

In the long run people tend to lose money from the SB as far as I can tell.
I'm 38%vpip in the SB, -0.03ptBB/hand, over my last 47k hands.

[nicK]

[nicK] wrote:

save me starting a new thread..

just set up a new a/c on ps and played 2000 hands tonight..
i'm wondering what these 4 stats say about me?

NL 6max..
vol put $ in pot: 25.63
pf raise: 20.82
pf af: 3.4
flop af: 5.2

most people on 2+2 are playing TAG.. with stats like 17/11 being the norm..
i'm wondering am i LAG? or am i caught somewhere in between?
i ask because i'm interested in knowing what range my opponents put me on pf and this might help..

(and i know 2000 hands isn't much to go by but my game doesn't change much at all.. every decision seems robotic now as i multitable so much)

k, after the advice given it's probabl best to tighten up slightly at the smaller limits.. (had to move down after having to withdraw a large % of my br)

so bet out another few hands last night at .25/.50 playing slightly tighter which seemed to work well..

i'll post up again after 10k hands for a bit of analysis..

ianmc38

My VPIP has been 25 ish over my last 20k hands. I couldnt imagine playing tighter than that. Any tighter would be nittish as i consider myself a TAG

Ste05

ianmc38 wrote:

My VPIP has been 25 ish over my last 20k hands. I couldnt imagine playing tighter than that. Any tighter would be nittish as i consider myself a TAG

I agree, and TBH I would rather bang my head off a wall than play tighter than this. Maybe if you are playing 4+ tables then a VPiP of <25 is understandable, but if you're not, get in there and start using your Post-Flop edge, open up a little, around 20-26 is a fine TAG game. I'm currently running at around 28 VPiP over the last ~7k hands of low level Tribeca. (.25/.50 - .50/1)

OP and others,

What is your VPiP by position, this should show you more than just a bland VPiP figure, your Button figures and EP figures should be planets apart. I don't have my PT in work so I can't say what mine are, but I'd be suprised if my Button VPiP wasn't nearly double or near enough to what my UTG VPiP is.

phantom_lord

I'd say playing less than 25% you'd be leaving money on the table at the lower levels against those donks.

kincsem

I bought it last night (on Ocallagh's advice). I started to play a few cash games and lost a few hundred playing 2:4, so I am back at 50c:$1 and just edging into profit at 50:1. I had pocket AA 3 times in 12 hands this morning. One met KK, then a K on the turn.:(

I find PokerTracker very confusing to look at, and their help is not that helpful. I must admit that after a day with it I am getting used to the info.

It paid for itself almost immediately. I had checked the option in PokerStars a few months ago to auto-download my hand-history, so I had some of my play on my hard disk ready for PT to analyse. Most players stay at one level all the time, so you will have a lot of play with them on file. I noticed one of the players on my table had a very high pre-flop raise percentage. The next time he raised the $1 BB to $4 I popped it up to $8 (with nothing). He folded. This happened a few times. Then he left the table.

Thanks for the link.

Scouser in Dub

just a very quick question but when someone says they are 25/17/X

whats the X

off to buy PT now I think

Ste05

kincsem wrote:

The next time he raised the $1 BB to $4 I popped it up by $8 (with nothing). He folded. This happened a few times.

I hope I'm fixing your post, min raising isn't a good habit to be getting into, although it seemed to have worked this time.

Ste05

Scouser in Dub wrote:

just a very quick question but when someone says they are 25/17/X

whats the X

this X is usually their Total Agression factor. And yes get it now.

[nicK]

it's the aggression factor..

how often you bet, raise each street..

you can see from my last post that mine is 4.16 which would indicate that i bet out quite regularly..
i think 2-4 is normal..

Imposter

It's probably postflop aggression. It should be somewhere between 1 and 2 to be normal enough.