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  • 07-01-2007 11:44pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭


    Hi guys :)
    Ill start off by saying that ive always been interested in learning a martial art for self defense .I had been studying wadaru karate for a about 3 or 4 months and it just didnt seem very realistic to me .Im 16 ,6 foot 1 and Im working towards my first belt .I dont know how many months I will have to spend before Im ready to defend myself but It seems like alot .I dont mind putting in the effort to learn a technique but It needs to be the kind of thing I can use in real life .I heard krav maga is a good practical martial art .What about systema ,is that any good ? Would there be anyone near laois that teaches these or well any martial art that is practical .

    Thanks
    Bob


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭ShaneT


    If you're after something realistic that ties into your Karate base but involves contact in all ranges - you're welcome to pop down to us: www.mmaireland.com

    All the best,
    -Shane.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Millionaire


    Shanes club is a great club...you will learn it all down there, check it out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭silat liam


    If you interested in a martial art that has a blend of striking , grappling along with weapon training than you welcome to try Silat. Classes can be found on our website www.silateurope.com or give me a call. You be more than welcome.

    Liam


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭FiannaGym.com


    Hey man, I hope you enjoy your Martial Arts training, that's the first thing.

    Now I'm completely biased but I htink Krav Maga and Systema are not great styles, but then I wouldn't think karate is either. Either way being 16 you might find it difficult to afford training in these styles as they are often expensive.

    Shane's club, see above, and loads others around the place to "MMA" which is the "Ultimate Fighting" you see on Bravo and on youtube etc. MMA is great because you will learn to defend yourself quickly and over time develop more and more skills. What I mean is, straight away you will learn to use your assets like your hieght or strenght, then you develop better skills etc. It is also a seriously healthy enviornment for guys your age as it is competitive, dynamic and fun. My class is all dudes from 16 to about 25.

    Anyway what ever style you are interested in go to youtube.com and search it, that will give you a good idea of what you are getting yourself in for.

    Peace


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Remmy where are you living there might be a local club we can recommend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Thanks for the replies guys ,
    Well Id have a great interest in UFC and if I could
    learn that style of fighting that would be great .
    It always seemed to me that there was no hollywood B.S involved in it just what worked .

    Roper
    Im based in laois .The only place near me im aware
    of is in portlaoise comunity hall .Thats where I spent
    the 3 months .It wasnt a full-time setup so there was
    no mats ,so that meant sparring was a no-no :(
    .But if your aware of any other places id love to hear it .

    I heard there was someone teaching kenpo karate over in kildare .Does anyone go to him and if so whats he like ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭kravist


    "Now I'm completely biased but I htink Krav Maga and Systema are not great styles, "

    I realise that this post may seem bitchy, but is genuinely not intended so! It's just i'm curoius to know what you base your assessment of Krav Maga on, is it experience and if so, where was this acquired? or, is it from what you've read or heard from others?
    Cheers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 UglyIrishBMX


    i think somthing like judo is way better as a practical self defence if somone trys to take you to the ground your going to have the advantage wich happens alot in street fights and it's good when your on your feet to it's just a good round about self defence and you don't have to hurt anyone unless you whant to since alot of it is submission pain inflicting and locks your not going to accadently put somone in the hospital


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭Taiwan-Evo


    Anything with alive sparing plus make sure you cover stand up and ground. With alive(resistant)sparing you will be ready to defend yourself in a short period of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Boxing or MMA-both will benefit you in a very short space of time-i done trad martial arts for 6 months and never learned how to kick punch or anything-the blocks we where shown would of broke your own arm in my opinion-joined boxing and within a month looked like i was boxing for years..mma is similar in the way you just start learning to fight instead of loads of nonsense kata's.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭paxo


    Remmy wrote:
    Hi guys :)
    I heard krav maga is a good practical martial art .What about systema ,is that any good ? Would there be anyone near laois that teaches these or well any martial art that is practical .

    Thanks
    Bob

    Bob
    I train in both Krav and systema. I know two people who have used krav to defend themselves against armed attacks. IMO if trained properly it is a good system and relatively easy to learn. So far I have had very little experience in Systema so I cannot comment as to how practical it is.

    Remember that a good instructor can teach you how to fight so IMO it is more important to find a good instructor rather that a particular style or system
    Paxo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭henryb


    Remmy wrote:
    Hi guys :)
    Ill start off by saying that ive always been interested in learning a martial art for self defense .I had been studying wadaru karate for a about 3 or 4 months and it just didnt seem very realistic to me .Im 16 ,6 foot 1 and Im working towards my first belt .I dont know how many months I will have to spend before Im ready to defend myself but It seems like alot .I dont mind putting in the effort to learn a technique but It needs to be the kind of thing I can use in real life .I heard krav maga is a good practical martial art .What about systema ,is that any good ? Would there be anyone near laois that teaches these or well any martial art that is practical .

    Thanks
    Bob


    Hi Bob. theres Budo taijutsu (ninjutsu) just over the road from you
    in both Tullamore and Portarlington. That might suit you!
    You can check it out on www.bujinkan.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Thanks guys
    Ive always had the idea that boxing is a very practical system.It teaches how to give a good punch and take one aswell .Would anyone reccomend me to take up boxing and then mix in what i have already learned from the karate as far as straight kick,sidekick and elbows .I dunno that id want to take up a ground art like BJJ.I have great respect for anyone who does it but i have always just been more interested in striking arts .

    Also how does someone think a boxer who also knew martial art techniques would fare in a street fight compared to someone who just trained in BJJ .

    Does BJJ have any striking moves ?

    P.S I think yee lads have to be the soundest group of people in realation to helping newbies.Ive met one or two martial arts guys who better than me but wouldnt miss an oppurtunity to belittle me just because of my lack of knowledge but you lot are not .

    Thanks
    Bob


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭henryb


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    As regards to the boxing bob, i worked in portlaoise for a while and from
    what i can gather theres a decent club down there. I boxed for a number
    of years and without doubt the training is good and if thinkin of going into
    competition your fitness levels have to be very high as its a tough sport.
    Maybe if youre looking to mix it up a bit ie. kicks, knees etc maybe something
    like krav maga which im studying at the min and would reccomend,would suit you. Also im sure some of the guys would give you some info on
    Muay thai, but not sure if theres any schools near you down there.







    QUOTE=Remmy]Thanks guys
    Ive always had the idea that boxing is a very practical system.It teaches how to give a good punch and take one aswell .Would anyone reccomend me to take up boxing and then mix in what i have already learned from the karate as far as straight kick,sidekick and elbows .I dunno that id want to take up a ground art like BJJ.I have great respect for anyone who does it but i have always just been more interested in striking arts .

    Also how does someone think a boxer who also knew martial art techniques would fare in a street fight compared to someone who just trained in BJJ .

    Does BJJ have any striking moves ?

    P.S I think yee lads have to be the soundest group of people in realation to helping newbies.Ive met one or two martial arts guys who better than me but wouldnt miss an oppurtunity to belittle me just because of my lack of knowledge but you lot are not .

    Thanks
    Bob[/QUOTE]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭bjj-fighter


    Remmy wrote:
    Thanks guys
    Ive always had the idea that boxing is a very practical system.It teaches how to give a good punch and take one aswell .Would anyone reccomend me to take up boxing and then mix in what i have already learned from the karate as far as straight kick,sidekick and elbows .I dunno that id want to take up a ground art like BJJ.I have great respect for anyone who does it but i have always just been more interested in striking arts .

    Also how does someone think a boxer who also knew martial art techniques would fare in a street fight compared to someone who just trained in BJJ .

    Does BJJ have any striking moves ?

    P.S I think yee lads have to be the soundest group of people in realation to helping newbies.Ive met one or two martial arts guys who better than me but wouldnt miss an oppurtunity to belittle me just because of my lack of knowledge but you lot are not .

    Thanks
    Bob

    Hi,
    Im not too far from your age but a bit younger and i do BJJ and a bit of striking.I would think and it has been proven that a BJJ'er would beat a striker in most not all cases.It think to be a complete fighter you need to be well rounded.As far as boxing goes it is practical mostly against and un-skilled but it is better than almost all traditional Martial Arts i.e TKD,Karate or Aikido.BJJ does not have any striking moves but it does have anti-striking moves and takedowns and most clubs would teach you a bit of MMA.

    Hope my opinion helps,
    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Clive


    BJJ does have striking moves, it's just that most places don't teach them because they're crap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Thanks bjj fighter
    I do like BJJ aswell I just think in a self defence situation if you take-down one guy ,what do you do when his friends decide to do a Michael Flatley on yer face while your still on the ground grappling .I do think that some of the techniques like the hip-toss would be very handy indeed though .

    Just to clarify MMA is a mix between ground fighting and striking ,right ?

    Thanks
    Bob


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭bjj-fighter


    Yeah thats the thing,just as you said just BJJ wont do you much help in a fight against a person with mates.Thats why you need striking aswell but striking as of Karate wouldnt be the best way to go if you really wanted to fight Muay Thai Or even kickboxing would be the answer.

    Yes MMA is a mix of everything.This a great MMA highlight of one of the top MMA shows in the world : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79bbfQ0TizE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    boxing is great for self defense-even muay thai fighters will mainly punch it out on the street if it came to a 1 on 1-kicking is better in sport situation, wearing the leg down etc..most fights end very quick and a 3 punch combo will see to that..i am a boxer but do other arts around that,i find that works best- thai, bjj, and mma. your right about the ground fighting, stomped on during a fight is not good-but if your pulled to the ground its great to know..best of luck..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    thanks guys:)
    I picked up a new copy of Irish fighter and on the back I found a guy doing combat kick boxing !Sorted! This would combine my interest in boxing and the martial arts side of it .Also he's based in Kildare !

    Does anyone train under in this place ?I heard kickboxing is a watered down version of muay thai but this has 'Combat kickboxing' on it so Id assume thats its tougher ! Any opinions would be great !

    Thanks
    Bob


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    Hey Remmy, if you are interested in the difference between the two, I would recommend doing say 10 or 12 classes in combat kickboxing and then 10 or 12 in Muay Thai at either chupasart or bridgestone. Compare them both and decide for yourself.

    p.s. Muay thai is better :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    I'm always wary of things with "combat" in front of them. Maybe not in this case though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭johnny.m.


    Remmy wrote: »
    Hi guys :)
    Ill start off by saying that ive always been interested in learning a martial art for self defense .I had been studying wadaru karate for a about 3 or 4 months and it just didnt seem very realistic to me .Im 16 ,6 foot 1 and Im working towards my first belt .I dont know how many months I will have to spend before Im ready to defend myself but It seems like alot .I dont mind putting in the effort to learn a technique but It needs to be the kind of thing I can use in real life .I heard krav maga is a good practical martial art .What about systema ,is that any good ? Would there be anyone near laois that teaches these or well any martial art that is practical .

    Thanks
    Bob
    I think all styels no matter who likes what have their owb strengths and weaknesses. I myself teach and train in Shodokan aikido and Aiki-Jujitsu and have been for a long time (17 years) intotal. im setting up a dojo in Rathangan kildare soon and it also depends on the student. what you put in is what you get out of it. so train hard and train well and you will get what you want from any art.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Gorman


    Whatever you chose try to pick something that has a sporting outlet, it will keep you interested, plus it will be a way for you to test what you've learnt.

    MMA
    Boxing
    Kick boxing
    Muay Thai
    BJJ
    Judo
    Wrestling

    All of these will help you with self defense and on the flip side they will show you how easy it is to be beat up by someone who is bigger and stronger than you, you'll have no illusion about yourself in these sports.

    I know other martial arts have sporting outlet too like Karate and Takwondo, I did Karate for 2 years and I wouldn't recommend it, like you said it just doesn't seem realistic. Takwondo is essentially the same as karate from what I've seen ** runs from thread**


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Ug Lee


    Clive wrote: »
    BJJ does have striking moves, it's just that most places don't teach them because they're crap.

    What are crap? The striking in BJJ or the places that don't teach striking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭dunkamania


    The striking, think Royce Gracie against Kimo or anybody in the early UFC's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    johnny.m. wrote: »
    I think all styels no matter who likes what have their owb strengths and weaknesses. I myself teach and train in Shodokan aikido and Aiki-Jujitsu and have been for a long time (17 years) intotal. im setting up a dojo in Rathangan kildare soon and it also depends on the student. what you put in is what you get out of it. so train hard and train well and you will get what you want from any art.:)


    Welcome to January 2007 ;)

    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Kenpokicks


    There is an excellent Kenpo Karate Club in Portlaoise. They have been going for about 10 years now and just recently moved into a new full time studio. I know their classes are a mix of realistic self-defence, kickboxing and fitness workouts.
    Kenpo is great for people of different sizes as the Instructor will tailor the system to suit the persons size and strength. It is not traditional with only one way of doing stuff.
    Check out www.portlaoisekenpo.com for contact details.
    Regards
    KenpoKicks


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