1-2 UB hand

NickyOD

1-2NL on UB. Table is playing pretty aggro tough. I've taken down a lot of small pots and haven't shown a hand so I don't really have a table image yet

It's 5 handed. 1 limper. I make it $10 with AcJs. Button calls me. limper folds.

Flop 3c-Jh-7c. I bet 18. He raises to 38. I call. Turn is 5c. I check. He bets $47. I call. River is the King of diamonds. I check. He goes all in for $150. I cover.

Call or fold?

Mr. Flibble

I would fold.

phantom_lord

fold.

fuzzbox

i would have folded earlier

MacStacked

Have you any reason not to believe him?

He has played his hand very very strongly. And the 3 to a flush has not slowed him down. I dont think he has a set, I think he slows down somewhat if he has.

I think something like JQc,109c,10Jc is quite likely by the river with the pot at 200 all-in is his only meaningful bet.

I think I fold the turn but if i call the turn I am more inclined to call the river.

ianmc38

id fold the turn and the river is an easy fold even if his SN is bluffy mcblufferson

valor

river is ridic easy fold

pok3rplaya

Fuzz, I don't like folding the flop or turn.

Oodges

I think I'd fold the river.
But I would've called on the turn -getting 3-1 with nut flush draw and tptk, with money left for last round of betting,
seeing as you'll likely stack him if the club comes

Hectorjelly

Oodges wrote:

seeing as you'll likely stack him if the club comes

why do you say this?

I would fold the flop, and then maybe the turn but if id gotten to the river I might call

jbravado

Im not sure the flop is such a clear fold?What do you think he has given the preflop action?

Ste05

Working Backwards:

River: easy fold.

Turn: might call, might fold, might CRAI.

Flop: probably fold to the RR. Don't like being OOP in what will be a big pot with just TP.

All the above depends on how aggressive the game had been playing and what the Button was like.

Johnster

I think this is a fold on the river.

Does anyone think a reraise on the flop is a good option, maybe to $120?

Mr. Flibble

Johnster wrote:

I think this is a fold on the river.

Does anyone think a reraise on the flop is a good option, maybe to $120?

No one so far! Most decent players out there aren't going to get all in for 100 big blinds with less than TPTK (or a draw) without a read, which villain doesn't have according to Nicky. And we don't have any reason to think that the guy is bad. If we raise and are called/put all in probable best case scenario is we're up against 12 outs or we need runner runner.

Oodges

HJ-
On reflection, we likely won't take his stack on another club,
Point conceded.

Do you fold tptk to a reraise on the flop as standard?
-Is 1-2 the minimum level you would do this at?

cardshark202

Preflop: Fine
Flop: Standard fold.
Turn: Easy fold
River: Open fold

Any reads?

NickyOD

I called he had Q-To. i.e. nothing.

Thanks for the great advice everyone. :rolleyes:

karlh

still. fold on the flop

LuckyLloyd

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NickyOD

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Good call Nicky, nice one. However, you should know that most of the time you are beat here.

That depends on a lot of things. Its much more a call on this type of table on UB because everyone is very aggro in position. On other tables I might fold the flop

Hectorjelly

Yeah if you get to the river like this you should call, otherwise your turn play is vbad.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

Yeah if you get to the river like this you should call, otherwise your turn play is vbad.

yeah normally I lead the turn.

cardshark202

You mean to say that you lead turn after being check-raised on the flop?

NickyOD

cardshark202 wrote:

You mean to say that you lead turn after being check-raised on the flop?

I wasn't check raised.

cardshark202

Well raised even.

NickyOD

cardshark202 wrote:

Well raised even.

So yeah I lead the turn. Why not? If I call the flop I'm not checking the turn in the hope he'll check behind, so I can either fold the flop or call and then lead or check-call the turn. Either way I'm almost always putting money in the pot on the turn if I call the flop bet.

The way this table was playing I think I get raise by a weaker jack or even and underpair too often to throw away TPTK without a thought.

ocallagh

NickyOD wrote:

I called he had Q-To. i.e. nothing.

Thanks for the great advice everyone. :rolleyes:

lmfao, nh sir

cardshark202

Well you left a lot of info out. Sounds like you were at a table full of loose aggro donks in which case tptk is teh nuts. Generally though this is a super-easy fold on pretty much every street.

cardshark202

Also leading the turn as a standard after this action is pretty horrific in most games.

pok3rplaya

Assuming I haven't read all the posts in this thread, if the river brings a fourth club, I go for a c/r AI. Good/bad?