Classic Donk River Bet

DeadParrot

Villain is at the moment a calling machine
Calling down with top pair no kicker and getting lucky


Comments appreciated


Wild At Heart 10474887-194450 Holdem No Limit $0.25/$0.50
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Hand Start.
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Seat 1 : glassguy3 has $19.50
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Seat 2 : Astangaman has $0
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Seat 3 : axy1 has $89.50
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Seat 4 : bnr24 has $74.09
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Seat 5 : DONS1988 has $66.63
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : Seat 6 : DeadParrot has $87.85
[Jan 4 22:56:42] : DeadParrot is the dealer.
[Jan 4 22:56:46] : glassguy3 posted small blind.
[Jan 4 22:56:46] : Astangaman : nh
[Jan 4 22:56:46] : axy1 posted big blind.
[Jan 4 22:56:46] : Game [194450] started with 5 players.
[Jan 4 22:56:46] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jan 4 22:56:46] : Seat 6 : DeadParrot has Kh Ac
[Jan 4 22:56:51] : bnr24 called $0.50 and raised $2
[Jan 4 22:56:52] : DONS1988 folded.
[Jan 4 22:57:58] : DeadParrot called $2.50 and raised $4
[Jan 4 22:57:59] : glassguy3 folded.
[Jan 4 22:58:00] : axy1 folded.
[Jan 4 22:58:03] : DONS1988 : ta
[Jan 4 22:58:06] : bnr24 called $4
[Jan 4 22:58:06] : Dealing flop.
[Jan 4 22:58:06] : Board cards [2h 3s 3c]
[Jan 4 22:58:08] : bnr24 checked.
[Jan 4 22:58:20] : DeadParrot checked.
[Jan 4 22:58:20] : Dealing turn.
[Jan 4 22:58:20] : Board cards [2h 3s 3c 5c]
[Jan 4 22:58:23] : bnr24 checked.
[Jan 4 22:58:33] : DeadParrot bet $7
[Jan 4 22:58:35] : bnr24 called $7
[Jan 4 22:58:36] : Dealing river.
[Jan 4 22:58:36] : Board cards [2h 3s 3c 5c Th]
[Jan 4 22:58:47] : bnr24 bet $4
[Jan 4 22:59:00] : It's your turn.
[Jan 4 22:59:00] : DeadParrot has 10 seconds to respond.

Call/Fold/Raise???
Can I ever fold the Value bet?

How bad was checking the folp?

Mr. Flibble

Ha. Looks like Donk has your number. I can't decide if you should call until you give the results. Even then it will be difficult if you folded.

I'd call here, but I'm on a weird tilty place right now.

Mr.Plough

depending on how much of a donk he is, with his call on the turn 90% of the time he has you beat.

and his 4$ bet on the river looks like a "please raise me" bet.

phantom_lord

Mr.Plough wrote:

depending on how much of a donk he is, with his call on the turn 90% of the time he has you beat.

and his 4$ bet on the river looks like a "please raise me" bet.


i reckon he made a flush, but then again, im ugly.

emmm, i don't think so...

RasTa

I'm paying him off anyway, sigh and move on....

phantom_lord

if you've seen him call a rr with something ak dominates that I'd probably call. And I'd much prefer a flop bet over a turn bet.

BobSloane

I call out of curiosity. 6-1 pot odds? You never know what these guys are doing for sure. You're beat though surely. Possible A3 or house. No flush there. He's begging for a big raise.

MacStacked

What flush?

If you are going to bet the turn why not bet the flop?

edit: i think i call, but very much player dependant

phantom_lord

BobSloane wrote:

Possible A3 or house.

no way he had either. as played I think he's missed the flop, maybe suited ocs and picked up the flush draw on the turn, he's betting an op here surely.

Mr.Plough

LOL just re-read over the hand, thought there was 3 clubs on board. oddly enough i thought there was 2 3c on board. ah well theres JD for ya...


but your beat anyways, and i have a feeling you flat call and see A4

RoadSweeper

bet the flop i think

RasTa

I dunno he has checked the flop and check/called the turn. Then threw a weak bet on the river. If he is as much of a donk u say he is, then call.

To end on a 2+2 vain

SHIP IT!

BobSloane

phantom_lord wrote:

no way he had either. as played I think he's missed the flop, maybe suited ocs and picked up the flush draw on the turn, he's betting an op here surely.

yeah i suppose they're unlikely hands. maybe he paired a T on the river and puts out that bet cause he now has something. These kind of players freak me out - they seem to barely know what they have themselves. Whatever he has, he must be payed off for 6-1 pot odds though

MacStacked

RasTa wrote:

To end on a 2+2 vain

SHIP IT!

HOLLA!!

Seriously, I would bet flop. He may have paired the ten on the river but I think he makes this little teaser alot with nothing and with 6-1 odds...call.

LuckyLloyd

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DeadParrot

BobSloane wrote:

yeah i suppose they're unlikely hands. maybe he paired a T on the river and puts out that bet cause he now has something. These kind of players freak me out - they seem to barely know what they have themselves. Whatever he has, he must be payed off for 6-1 pot odds though

ding ding ding!!!

So I made the flat call, I thought about re-raising but decided against.

J10o , now before the calls of BB sticky or whatever, do you think a gross overbet on the river may have dissuaded him or not?? I'm leaning on not based on this hand and others.

He really was a maniac of amazing levels and I've never seen someone run luckier. Of course eventually he busted out an hour or so later, sadly it wasn't me that did the busting.

robinlacey

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Not betting the flop and attempting to take a pot down on 4th street is sometimes good.

i think doing this is almost always really bad,unless the turn changes something...

the time to bet is the flop,especially when you reraised preflop

by the time the turn comes its too late,you've surrendered the initiative and you have much less fold equity

LuckyLloyd

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robinlacey

well i haven't played microstakes in a long time,but there are a few things that i think are relevant here...

first of all,when someone checks a rag flop,then bets the turn when nothing has changed,anyone would be suspicious,even the most unthinking player will probably just think he doesn't have much and is now taking a stab at it (or at least i think they will be more inclined to think that than anything else)

everyone knows that most players cannot resist betting if its checked to them twice

also,in this particular hand,you reraised preflop...at these stakes this sends out a strong signal,most people aren't 3-betting light (except for the maniacs)

when someone raises and gets reraised preflop,their thought process when they decide to call is "ah sure i'll see a flop"

most of them fully expect to fold the flop unless they hit it very hard-they already think you have a strong hand,so when you bet the flop it confirms what they thought,and they can just fold...now when you check the flop,they think hang on,maybe he doesn't have much,my crappy pair might be good/i might try and bluff him/i might call with my draw and bluff the river if i miss,etc

they are waiting to fold when they check that flop to you more often than not,and since you don't have anything why not let them?

also in general reraising preflop and checking if you miss is just far too weak,and you lose credibility when you do have a hand

Lafortezza

If you had an overpair JJ+ (ie something that you'd reraise preflop with), why wouldn't you bet that flop? Why does that change when you have AK?

DeadParrot

interesting point robin......
Well thought out.

I generally take a similar line to what Lloyd suggested.

tbh, I think I'm giving these players too much respect if that makes sense.

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Not betting the flop and attempting to take a pot down on 4th street is sometimes good. Most of the time people will think that following through on the flop has "continuation" written all over it. As such, they are more likely to call you there with two cards coming. As part of a balanced strategy I don't think that waiting until the turn is bad everytime.
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a bet on the turn like this looks like what it nearly always is, a missed AQ/K attempting to pick up the pot. If it ever gets through its because the villain had nothing and would of lost a showdown anyway.

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

robinlacey wrote:

i think doing this is almost always really bad,unless the turn changes something...

the time to bet is the flop,especially when you reraised preflop

by the time the turn comes its too late,you've surrendered the initiative and you have much less fold equity

lol I saw lloyds post and immediately replied, if I had of waited I wouldnt of had to bother!