Unified transport map for Dublin

dowlingm

Has anyone ever attempted a unified transport map for Dublin integrating DB, BE, DART, LUAS (sure even throw in Aircoach and those lads if you want).

This is Toronto's transit map
http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/rideguide.pdf (Toronto metro)
http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/downtown.pdf (Downtown routes)

but then someone went and made a google mashup
http://cork2toronto.blogspot.com/2006/12/excellent-transit-map.html

I know there's some google earth kmzs and mashups out there for DART but is there anything that shows the whole system?

spockety

Is there even one for Dublin Bus? I was thinking about it the other day, and it's crazy that DB don't have a map that shows every route on every street, and the exact locations of each stop, and which buses stop at them etc.

Or do they have one?

Calina

spockety wrote:

Is there even one for Dublin Bus? I was thinking about it the other day, and it's crazy that DB don't have a map that shows every route on every street, and the exact locations of each stop, and which buses stop at them etc.

Or do they have one?

Such a map would be huge.

markpb

spockety wrote:

Is there even one for Dublin Bus? I was thinking about it the other day, and it's crazy that DB don't have a map that shows every route on every street, and the exact locations of each stop, and which buses stop at them etc. Or do they have one?

The people below my office (Marren Engineering in Clontarf) have an A2 map of Dublin showing all the bus routes inside the M50. Odd thing for an engineering company to have.

Vokes

Calina wrote:

Such a map would be huge.

There are such maps for the London buses. It shouldn't really be that difficult to do one for Dublin relatively speaking.

markpb

dowlingm wrote:

I know there's some google earth kmzs and mashups out there for DART but is there anything that shows the whole system?

I started one a few months ago but didn't get far because finding out where the routes run is quite difficult. (Firefox only for some reason)

More useful though would be the DB site showing proper maps for each route, something like this: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~markpb/dta/index.php?page=17a

dowlingm

you'd need A1 paper to print the Toronto map (albeit with some room to spare).

The full map is displayed at subway stations and at some bus stops.

MiniD

Dublin Bus publish a Route Network Map every so often, it can be obtained from the head office, it costs €2. It is a fold out map covering as far north as Swords, west to Leixlip and South to Shankill.

europerson

In Vienna, on normal street maps you can get in any shop, all tram, train and bus lines and stops are shown. It made my visit there very easy, because I always knew exactly where the bus stops on each route were. The buses announce the names of the streets they're on too.

probe

The presentation of network information in either graphical (map) or tabular (timetable) form in Dublin (and Cork and everywhere else in Ireland) is diabolical.

Public transport network maps at each node (bus stop, train station, tram stop, airport, ferry terminal, cable car, etc) should have maps and other info showing the local info for the immediate area (eg you get off a bus or tram and here is a street plan covering walking distance from that point, a line map for the bus, tram, rail etc route in question showing the stops en route by name and one or more overall network maps like this http://www.zvv.ch/netzplan/liniennetzvbz2007/vbzplan_2007.gif (click on the map to zoom it large and detailed) allowing one to figure out how to do cross city journeys involving a mixture of bus, tram, train, boat, etc.

Every city on the continent has them.

Unfortunately maps are only one aspect of public transport incompetence in Ireland. Others include the non-integrated ticketing “system” and all the other barriers to wide-spread public transport use (eg badly designed downmarket buses and trains with dated, poorly designed livery), absence of timetable reliability and consistency and general filth and bashed up state (crash damage going un-repaired) of the network infrastructure.

Is it any wonder that Ireland is at the top of the global CO2 pollution league or has some of the slowest journey times in Europe with its traffic clogged streets? Billions being wasted in time costs from people stuck in traffic.

I'm in Germany at the moment and picked up a CD timetable published by www.bahn.de which has integrated schedules for all modes of transport in Europe (except IRL!) taken from the HAFAS system. Price €5. Runs on PCs and PDAs. "CIE" used to provide timetable data into the HAFAS European timetable system for a short period. Alas no longer!

http://www.hacon.de/hacon_e/


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spacetweek

markpb wrote:

I started one a few months ago but didn't get far because finding out where the routes run is quite difficult. (Firefox only for some reason)

More useful though would be the DB site showing proper maps for each route, something like this: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~markpb/dta/index.php?page=17a

The Dublin Street Map guide (they're up to the 6th edition now) has all bus routes very clearly marked. Finish your project, it's great!!

KC61

This atlas may show bus routes but are they correct? In many cases alas not.

There are errors on virtually every page, the best being route 114 which is shown operating up a very narrow lane to Ticknock mountain rather than the new housing estate on the other side of Harolds Grange Road!!!

Dublin Bus are currently re-issuing the local service guides (20 sheets in all), each of which have maps of bus routes in the relevant area. Even these have the odd mistake (such as showing routes 14/A as terminating in Ballinteer rather than continuing to Dundrum!). These are currently available from DB Head Office in O'Connell Street.

The Dublin Bus Route Network Guide, which is the overall version of the local service guide map and is a very clear map of the Dublin Bus network was last issued in October 2005, priced EUR 3, and I would imagine a new version will be issued once the local guides are finished.

What is badly needed in Dublin are schematics along the lines of the "Spider" maps that London have at bus shelters showing exactly where bus routes go.

dumbyearbook

Hey All,

I cant find the atlas your refering to KC61 but the 114 does go up to Ticknock (new apts) where it terminates -before going back out onto the blackglen road it does nt go onto the harolds grange road at all at any stage.

Victor

dumbyearbook wrote:

I cant find the atlas your refering to KC61

http://www.irishmaps.ie/product/display.cfm?ProductID=156

KC61

dumbyearbook wrote:

Hey All,

I cant find the atlas your refering to KC61 but the 114 does go up to Ticknock (new apts) where it terminates -before going back out onto the blackglen road it does nt go onto the harolds grange road at all at any stage.

Apologies I meant Blackglen Road. However the Ordnance Survey atlas shows the 114 turning left off Blackglen Road onto Ticknock Road up the narrow lane to terminate at Hanlon's Lane which is up the mountain and not (as it does) turning right off Blackglen Road to operate via Simons Ridge to the new apartments at the estate called Ticknock Hill!

The atlas is littered with similar errors.

Cormac Rabbitt

Yes, I have tried drawing a unified transport map for Dublin many time. My current rendition has what should be done, ie link-up what is there, which you can see on my www.darganproject.com site. If you look at the web page with the Cabinate Presentation on it you can see drawings with bus and rail routes that can provide integrated services - that Dublin could have a transportaton system second to none and of course you would then be able to draw a most brillant map!

(yes, i declare I have a vested interest, whatever that is?)