Any news on Esat BT increasing download/upload speeds?

Fighting Irish

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kaizersoze

Not unless Eircom do and thats highly unlikely.

Fighting Irish

kaizersoze wrote:

Not unless Eircom do and thats highly unlikely.

:mad:


Don't get me wrong we have pretty good speeds as it is, but we're miles behind the rest of the world

Creamy Goodness

Fighting Irish wrote:

:mad:


Don't get me wrong we have pretty good speeds as it is, but we're miles behind the rest of the world

yeh but it's unlikely anything will change.

of course i'd love to see some benefits of eircom's upgrade of the network they annouced there a while back but considering the prices they are charging now for 3mbit/384k i'd shudder to think what 20mbit+ will cost.

Gonzo

im really happy with my speeds too but yeh were miles behind the rest of the world and that hurts

Fighting Irish

Cremo wrote:

yeh but it's unlikely anything will change.

of course i'd love to see some benefits of eircom's upgrade of the network they annouced there a while back but considering the prices they are charging now for 3mbit/384k i'd shudder to think what 20mbit+ will cost.

I'd be happy with 5mb/2mb

Gonzo

^^ cant see the above happening for another 2 to 3 years while the rest of hte world is on 50mb+

qwertplaywert

THe governemnet should ban them from increasing speeds until they get 100 percent covrage ie.servicing peeps like me

Fighting Irish

qwertplaywert wrote:

THe governemnet should ban them from increasing speeds until they get 100 percent covrage ie.servicing peeps like me

Its not our fault you live in the sticks

Sponge Bob

DSL works perfectly well in the sticks albeit not on eircoms network. British DSL from BT works out to 10km while 'our' DSL works out to 5km (maybe 6km nowadays).

The government should indeed bring in a universal service obligation for BB. The only issue to my mind is whether it would be best to force eircom to pay someone more competent than they to actually deliver it for them.

Back to the original point, there wil be no speed rises outside the 4 or 5 largest cities next year. There is no pressure on eircom since they put smart (nearly) out of business, is there???

qwertplaywert

well prices are coming down.....

kaizersoze

qwertplaywert wrote:

well prices are coming down.....

Which will be almost wiped out by the line rental increase expected in January.:(

vibe666

a lot of satellite commuter town like Navan (and many others) are having MAN rings installed (no jokes please ) with completion to be expected mid 2007 iirc.

here's a pic of the one for Navan. not sure what it'll mean for residential customers, but i run a ltd. company from home so i don't mind either way.

exiztone

All the providers could at least ditch the cap in favour of a fair usage policy!

Big Chief

Fighting Irish wrote:

Don't get me wrong we have pretty good speeds as it is

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=63067

here was me thinking HK was behind the times

yeh its roughly $230 USD per month for the 1gig service, but heh thats like what in euro?

vibe666

according to www.ucc.com, at todays exchange rate that works out at €22.54

but then you have to think about the extra cost of getting a cerebral implant so your eyes and brain can cope with the speeds you'll be looking at web pages.

oh BTW, that news article was from November 2004, just to rub salt in the wounds.

Sponge Bob

It may mean that an exchange or two will be unbundled but thats only if ESB fibre is available in Navan as well as the MAN

To really benefit form a MAN you will need, in addition to ESB backhaul, a fibre drop to your premises and then you can get 5mbits/5mbits (bursting to 10/10 or even 100/100 for 5% of the time max) uncontended for c.€500 a month ex vat. 10/10 bursting to 20/20 (or 100/100) would be €700 a month.

At that rate you can offer a 'service' to your neighbours to defray some of the costs

vibe666 wrote:

here's a pic of the one for Navan. not sure what it'll mean for residential customers, but i run a ltd. company from home so i don't mind either way.

But are you NEAR that MAN as in within 100 metres????

Redisle

actually this is a bit off topic but....
there is an eircom hatch right outside the gate of my house and i know for a fact that there is fibre running there to the states or somewhere.... im just wondering what thats for?? a bb backbone? and would it ever be possible to bring an extension off said fibre to provide very high speed internet to my area?

qwertplaywert

kaizersoze wrote:

Which will be almost wiped out by the line rental increase expected in January.:(

wtf are you on bout? can you provid more info?

dak

vibe666 wrote:

according to www.ucc.com, at todays exchange rate that works out at €22.54


Sorry to be a pain but according to www.xe.com USD $230 is more like 175 euro

vibe666

@dak: I was thinking in HK$ not US$, I didn't notice the USD bit in the OP.

oh, and I meant www.xe.com/ucc

still, you'd pay it for those speeds either way, just so you could say that the main bottleneck in your internet connection was your pc!

@spongebob: the MAN is being installed to allow ISP's to offer better services to local business and residential customers and afaik is nothing to do with the ESB at all. I've seen both BT and Eircom digging around the same area at the same time, so fingers crossed we'll be getting a slice of the pie in June/July when it all gets switched on in 2007.

hopefully.

dak

vibe666 wrote:

@dak: I was thinking in HK$ not US$, I didn't notice the USD bit in the OP.

oh, and I meant www.xe.com/ucc



I just read the lightreading link posted by Big chief ! We are Celtic Cavemen compared to the ppl in Japan !!

Sponge Bob

ab_cork wrote:

would it ever be possible to bring an extension off said fibre to provide very high speed internet to my area?

only if it were <cough> diverted .

vibe 666 wrote:

afaik is nothing to do with the ESB at all.

Really, and how dows the h-intIRnit get from Dublin to Navan then one wonders ????

I make it you are (technically) no better off than Kiltimagh which has a Man dug into it for 3 years and no services on that MAN



Now if you were Cavan not Navan you would be grand .

kaizersoze

qwertplaywert wrote:

wtf are you on bout? can you provid more info?

WTF I'm on about is the widely expected line rental increase around the end of January. It's expected to rise to €28 which would wipe out much of the last wholesale price reduction. It's been discussed on boards before but nothing has been announced officially.

Sponge Bob wrote:

Really, and how dows the h-intIRnit get from Dublin to Navan then one wonders ????

Sponge, our MAN is currently being dug in and we have no ESB fibre either but they're using BT fibre (WDC) for backhaul, I've been told. Maybe Navan has a bit of BT fibre aswell.

Sponge Bob

the WDC (Western Digital Corridor built by Ocean ) does not run thru Navan either although it has the same capacity as the ESB fibre overall so Ballinasloe will be well provided for with it.

kaizersoze

I know the WDC doesn't run through Navan but BT should have some sort of fibre there (isn't Navan one of their unbundled exchanges?) or would that fibre only be for their own use?

Sponge Bob

BT probably have some of their lower capacity railway line fibre installed in Navan since the mid 1990s , this generation of fibre is insignificant as compared to the capacity of the DWDM fibre installed in the ESB loop in the diagram above and also the WDC fibre which is more or less the same.

For anyone else reading this the WDC runs Dublin-Mullingar-Athlone-Galway-Shannon-Limerick

(and maybe also Limerick-Nenagh-Portlaoise-Dublin)

and follows the N4/N6/N7 routes not the railway lines.

The WDC and ESB fibre combinations explains why Cisco and IBM have recent operations in Galway and not in Navan.....shall we say

It would be roughly as cheap to drop 2.5gbits into Ballinasloe as it would be to drop 30mbits or 155mbits (one of ) into Navan next time you feel the need to pimp your hood Kaiser. You do have another option in Ballinasloe .

There is a mysterious third option available in Galway and Ballinasloe and possibly Navan. I say mysterious because Aurora tell nobody anything .

This is the fibre following Gas pipes and sold for the Gas board by their arm Aurora Telecom . The Gas network depicted below would have ducting , usually empty , installed if the pipes are post 1995. I suspect Navan is on a pre 1995 pipeline though while Ballinasloe and Galway are on recently built pipelines which have the ducting.

kaizersoze

Sponge Bob wrote:

next time you feel the need to pimp your hood Kaiser.

I don't need to pimp anything Sponge, my hood sells itself.:p

qwertplaywert

kaizersoze wrote:

WTF I'm on about is the widely expected line rental increase around the end of January. It's expected to rise to €28 which would wipe out much of the last wholesale price reduction. It's been discussed on boards before but nothing has been announced officially.

what do you mean when you say 28 euro?

are you saying every bill will rise on average by 28?

i know if your on pay as you go with eircom you pay by minutes,so will the amount for a min increase?by how muhc?

kaizersoze

qwertplaywert wrote:

what do you mean when you say 28 euro?

are you saying every bill will rise on average by 28?

i know if your on pay as you go with eircom you pay by minutes,so will the amount for a min increase?by how muhc?

I mean the standard line rental, that everyone pays, is expected to rise from it's current rate of €24.20p/m to €28p/m.

fluppet

qwertplaywert wrote:

kaizersoze wrote:

It's expected to rise to €28

what do you mean when you say 28 euro?

are you saying every bill will rise on average by 28?

Come now, let's show some intelligence here. When someone says LINE RENTAL is expected to rise TO Eur 28, how can you possibly think that they mean "every bill will rise on average by 28"?

qwertplaywert wrote:

i know if your on pay as you go with eircom you pay by minutes,so will the amount for a min increase?by how muhc?

Well, first I'm pretty sure you actually pay by the second with eircom, not per minute. Second, that has nothing to do with line rental.

fluppet

I also found this, which may be of interest

vibe666

well, those of us who drive back and forth to Navan reguarly couldn't help but notice the big signs at the side of the road announcing the 'meath broadband project' as we were coming and going, very slowly in queues of traffic due to the digging up of roads to lay the fibre, so forgive us if we're gullible enough to think that they might just go through with it all after investing so much time and money into the thing (actually, this is Ireland, so maybe not:)).

from the www.meathbroadband.ie website:

Broadband in County Meath, Happy Christmass Everyone.

Meath County Council is currently managing the delivery of infrastructure (fibre network) to 5 towns in the County before May 2007 with a further delivery to another 5 towns after that. The provision of high capacity broadband infrastructure is an essential enabler for economic development in the County. This infrastructure is the first step in ensuring a modern and effective communications network is made available to the businesses and residents of Meath.

The Department of Communications Marine and Natural Resources recognizes the importance of high quality broadband infrastructure to the economic development of Meath and will fund 90% of the capital cost of laying fibre optic cable in the towns. The balance of 10% must be funded by the local authority.
When the fibre has been laid, it will be "lit" and space rented by interested telecommunication companies whose business it is to deliver broadband internet access to the customers at a competitive price. The infrastructure will continue to be owned by Meath County Council.

doesn't look to be anything much to do with the ESB or anyone similar as far as I can see from their blurb.

Sponge Bob

vibe666 wrote:

forgive us if we're gullible enough to think that they might just go through with it all after investing so much time and money into the thing (actually, this is Ireland, so maybe not:)).

ah no, they will dig up 5 towns and put fibre in them. Just like they say they will. But how will they connect them 5 towns in Meath to the hinternet yoke then????

Meath county council is digging in Navan and elsewhere. It is not digging between towns though, is it ??

Always Remember Kiltimagh ! Kiltimagh has had a MAN with nice shiny fibre for years. The Kiltimagh MAN is not connected to anything else .

doesn't look to be anything much to do with the ESB or anyone similar as far as I can see from their blurb.

A man with no backhaul is a concreted up hole with fibre in it . It has EVERYTHING to do with someone else. I listed the suspects with assets in the vicinity . The ESB will not be the provider for Navan as they are miles away.

vibe666

ah, okay then.

but they have also been digging between towns as well, as anyone who's spent ages sitting in traffic between navan and dunshaughlin will tell you.

i know what you're saying tho, but the optimist in me is holding onto the thought that they are smart enough to know that doing all this and not following it through to completion will result in me running into the local council offices with an m16 and a bunch of grenades to show them the error of their ways.

Sponge Bob

If you run your own business mate then its up to you to ENSURE that they are going to connect these MANs to something, meaning Dublin.

Annoy enet.ie and the local county council to make sure they do. Start today.

Do not presume that because it would be a good idea that therefore it will happen. :eek:

vibe666

technically i do run my own business, but i'm just an IT contractor, so no real need for premises or anything like that. just mostly for the tax breaks really, but faster internet is always a good thing. I'm a big fan of the internet and everything it has to offer and BT's 3mbit residential service is creaking under the strain of my day to day usage, so the bigger and better it gets the happeir i'll be.