Murder on the Orient Express

Solksjaer

I don't normally post hands etc as I generally know when I've played the hand sh**** Anyway.

Fitz rebuy tournament (formally known as scalps) last night 81 runners.

Down to 4, I'm 2nd in chips. Chipleader is lunatic who calls any raise with 2 cards. Got to the final table as chipleder with all ins like 6, 2 , 7, 4 and hit each time. Knocked one poor soul out when his A J hit a straight flush agianst KK preflop all in.
So he has just lost a pot and in the button raises the pot by 30 K.

I look down at 7 7 (made famous by emminent bord poster) now the prize money is
1st 4000
2nd 2000
3rd 1200
4th 730

As I'm 2nd should I wait for a better hand ?

...well in light of the fact I was absolutely sure I was ahead I pushed ALL in ..... after a dwell the looney calls with AQ (wow a good hand) so he hit the Q (as usual) and I left a bit peeved that this less than average player had a massive chiplead and would probably take it down.


Now what would you have done?. What did you think of his call (for 70% of his stack)
for the record I was happy enough to be racing (and ahead) to take the chiplead as I was sure I would have won it.

aside*
I think the double rebuy (only had one) allowed for more chips in play and reduced the normal crap shooty element of this tourny and I would like to suggest it is kept as this rather than return to the scalps format.


ah well off to Arklow now!

Rb

What were the relevant stack sizes and blinds?

Solksjaer

rb_ie wrote:

What were the relevant stack sizes and blinds?

Does it really matter in this instance. Blinds were 3K - 6K

Lets say the breadown was approx

Me 160K (the hero and often the Villian)
Him about 210K (to say villian is a euphemism)
Other two from 80K to 120K. (steady enough players) Although I could be off a bit here.

StephenInsane

You pushed all-in preflop with 77 and you're calling him a loony?

Rb

You'd a healthy stack (in relation to the blinds)so, I would of just called for a set or a low board and re-evaluate on the flop tbh.

Goodluck2me

Solksjaer wrote:

Does it really matter in this instance. Blinds were 3K - 6K

its pretty important as if the blinds were ridiculous like 15K-30K you wouldnt have had time to wait.
against him i wouldnt have pushed all in unless you definetly wanted a caller as he will nto fold any two.
i was pretty healthy in chips when he raised my small blind to 4K, i pushed in the BB for 16K with KTs and he insta-calls for 80% of his stack with K2d.

This was a classy move 77v AQ?:D

Also FWIW this was a much better tournament with the extra chips in play. plenty of room for manoevure.

Solksjaer

So going all in ahead is not a good idea. Now I wonder what the HJs of this world think of that.:) I must admit I considered actually folding but I was SURE I was ahead. and in fact I was correct. The thing is I DID want to WIN this.

Stepheninsane , thanks for the tips. I already know I'm a looney but his hands doesn't really indicate that.

Solksjaer

goodluck2me wrote:

This was a classy move 77v AQ?:D
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not classy but a good move nonetheless. ( I thought) He was one of those guys that will only respect an 'ALL IN' nothing else, just unlucky he HAD a hand and hit I think. I'd put him on A rag at best .. I'm interested to hear other views on this, (other than of course the obvious mental issues I have)

delanec8

Given everything you know about the villain you played it fine seeing as he probably has an undercard to your 77 here a lot.

Solksjaer

goodluck2me wrote:

i was pretty healthy in chips when he raised my small blind to 4K, i pushed in the BB for 16K with KTs and he insta-calls for 80% of his stack with K2d.

that's shocking! :eek: unlucky man. I'm presuming the 2 hit.

I always seem to run into the lunatics, it seems the good players are easier to play against. Let's say if either of the other 2 had raised that amount I would have folded or just called (due to their ranges)

good to meet you btw goodluck

Mellor

You have said that you were out to win this, so taking a race for the chiplead is fine. Thats what you wanted. You said you put him on ace rag. and that he only respects all-in or nothing. That would leave me to believe that if you push in like this. Ace rag would drop the hand, and you would pick up the blinds + raise. If you get a caller, its almost defo a race or you are miles behind. You got a race and were probbly happy with it. Unlucky.

ocallagh

Can't believe you got knocked out with 77 too in the end! I was quite embarrased turning over my hand last night! I was 100% sure you didn't have an ace in your hand from your re-raise pre-flop...... how wrong was I:( . haven't managed to get my chips in such a bad situation since the merrion a couple of years ago when I had an underpairr to a set and i sucked out, runner runner style.

Anyway, to your hand: He's a maniac who just lost a pot and he's on the button! Ok, so his range is basically anything excluding total rags...

77 is actually quite good against this range even if you know he is calling you. Add in some folding equity and it looks like a good move to me.

Solksjaer

Mellor wrote:

You have said that you were out to win this, so taking a race for the chiplead is fine. Thats what you wanted. You said you put him on ace rag. and that he only respects all-in or nothing. That would leave me to believe that if you push in like this. Ace rag would drop the hand, and you would pick up the blinds + raise. If you get a caller, its almost defo a race or you are miles behind. You got a race and were probbly happy with it. Unlucky.

Pretty much sums it up, I was hoping he would call with A rag though (not beyond him). It's interesting though to see what others would do here. Went home happy anyway in the end as forgetting about the money I was happy with my play last night. Good luck to the guy anyway but I do hope one of the other lads took it down. (he is known in the cash games, think he is Chinese I think, over there somewhere anyway-> EAST)

Solksjaer

ocallagh wrote:

Can't believe you got knocked out with 77 too in the end! I was quite embarrased turning over my hand last night! I was 100% sure you didn't have an ace in your hand from your re-raise pre-flop...... how wrong was I:( . haven't managed to get my chips in such a bad situation since the merrion a couple of years ago when I had an underpairr to a set and i sucked out, runner runner style.

Anyway, to your hand: He's a maniac who just lost a pot and he's on the button! Ok, so his range is basically anything excluding total rags...

77 is actually quite good against this range even if you know he is calling you. Add in some folding equity and it looks like a good move to me.

Yeah your raise 6k a nice raise in itself was good to see , so I was happy to make it 12K (sitting pretty with AA) . Cheeky move on your part just bad timing as there was nothing there that could have hurt me on the board. (A on flop) Glad to see you leave as you were getting dangerous. ( like that pesky brother of yours, why don't yiz go off and play football or something) Little did I know what danger was until later lol.

Hitman Actual

If the money is going in anyway, then I think calling and pushing any flop is the best way to play this. Reasoning being:

1. Pushing prices him in to call with overcards, and allows him to see all five cards, which is bad for 77.

2. He may still call with missed overcards when we push the flop if he's such a maniac. He may also call with pair <77.

3. He also probably calls the flop when he hits a pair worse than 7.

4. He may still fold hands pre-flop which are in trouble against 77 (lower connectors, etc), and probably only calls with hands that aren't in bad shape (overcards).

What I'm trying to say is that pushing preflop allows the opponent to play his hand 'relatively' well, but he potentially makes more mistakes when we call and push, which on balance is better for us.