late in MTT, KQ in the sb

jimbling

Okay... this is a while later in the big deal tournament. (the KK thread)

I am down to 19k and there's 17 left. Blinds are 1.5k/3k. I need a double up to feel comfortable and have a decent shot at the big bucks.

Bit of table history:
The table has gotten very aggressive. There is a raise in almost every round. There has also been quite a few raise, re-raise, fold action going on as well. Villain in question was shortstacked for a while but recently doubled up to bring him up to 24k. He has raised a few times since then and taken down the blinds. He is now on 34k.
I have been playing very tight for majority of the game. I did defend a big blind against a sb raise in the last round though.

I get QKo in the sb.
folded to villain in mp+2. He raises to 5k. folded to me.

Whats your action and why?

bubbleking

declare an under raise does he not have to raise to 6k??

anyway its either a push or a fold calling is not an option oop.

if you think you can find a better spot fold if not push

jimbling

bubbleking wrote:

declare an under raise does he not have to raise to 6k??

anyway its either a push or a fold calling is not an option oop.

if you think you can find a better spot fold if not push

lol..sry. he raised to 7k.

I am worried about trying to find a better spot.

Lets say you put this guy on a pretty big range. i.e. A7+ 55+
Is this an optimal time to push. I think a big question is is there any fold equity. will a player in this situation fold a Arag or a small pp. SHOULD he fold them? Should we be happy to play against them?

I actually don't really know why I posted this hand, not much too it. probably for closure.

BigCityBanker

How long until the blinds go up again? If sufficient I fold and hope for a better spot.

jimbling

BigCityBanker wrote:

How long until the blinds go up again? If sufficient I fold and hope for a better spot.

blinds go up in about 5 minutes to 2/4.
As said, there's nothing too this hand, and I think i was only posting cause villain annoyed me. I pushed it in. I figured he would fold a lot of A-rags, and some small pp due to my tight image. He called in a flash - I mean instantly. He had A9 and hit AA on the flop, and I'm out of there.
I guess posting revolved around the fact that I was disgusted that this guy was raising and calling a push for 3/4 his stack with A9o - its just such a horrible hand.
I think I am okay with the decision to push, It would have been difficult to find spots with the current vibe at the table unless I hit some decent cards.

cardshark202

Fold

califano

jimbling wrote:

Whats your action and why?

Push. Because late in a mtt with 19k and blinds 1k/3k KQo is the nuts.

johnnysmurfman

There's 11.5k in the pot before you make up your mind, his 7k + the blinds, if you push and the bb folds then there's 29k in the middle and it costs him 12k more to make the call, he might just make such a value call if he thinks he's got 2 live cards and is a 60/40 shot. Personally I'd fold but he may have Q10 or QJ or KJ or something of that order and if he calls then you're in good shape, it's just one of those decisions you have to make in tournaments. If I were him then I'd call off the extra 12k a lot of the time because I figure I'm probably getting the right odds.

jimbling

johnnysmurfman wrote:

There's 11.5k in the pot before you make up your mind, his 7k + the blinds, if you push and the bb folds then there's 29k in the middle and it costs him 12k more to make the call, he might just make such a value call if he thinks he's got 2 live cards and is a 60/40 shot. Personally I'd fold but he may have Q10 or QJ or KJ or something of that order and if he calls then you're in good shape, it's just one of those decisions you have to make in tournaments. If I were him then I'd call off the extra 12k a lot of the time because I figure I'm probably getting the right odds.

ya, fair points. My thinking behind pushing was that there was more folding equity than there normally would be in a similar situation. i.e. with my relatively tight image I thought most on the table would put me on 1010+ AJ+ in that situation. This guys range was so wide that my range would most likely be dominating most of his range. I honestly thought he would/should have folded A7/8/9 etc.
And even if he did call I figured I would still be in okay shape. Obv I didnt want to see AA/KK or AK/Q etc... but they were very high up the range.
It was a 40/60 in the end and I'm okay with that......you just have risk getting taking a poor edge at times in order to further your tournament life expectancy*




*This is valid point here..... For people who thought all I was talking about in the TL thread was been afraid to risk my tournament. In this situation I am talking about TL again but in a reverse context to previously. Because my tournament life expectancy was at risk if I didn't gain some chips soon I was obliged to take greater risks and slightly negative edges.
Previously the situation was where I was refusing slightly positive edges because my tournament life expectancy was better served by folding.

I like that phrase.... tournament life expectancy. so TLE instead of TLS

mewso

It's a toss up between your read on your opponent and the fact that you have a full round of the table to pick a spot if you decide to fold.

jimbling

musician wrote:

It's a toss up between your read on your opponent and the fact that you have a full round of the table to pick a spot if you decide to fold.

ya, that was exactly my thought process. The read on my opponent won out.
The fact, and this was mentioned in the op, that there was raise going in in almost every hand was a major part. This meant that I really would have to hit some cards....and was I going to get better than KQo. Perhaps so, maybe shoulda waited for some suited connectors