shoving Vs Potting

spectre

I've just been stacked and had to reload. Effective stacks 300.

Villain one is bad 33/0. He open limps on the button.

Villain two is even fishier 49/5, he completes in the SB.

I make it 20 from the BB with AQo, they both call.

Flop comes AQJ rainbow. SB checks. I shove.

Do we love/loathe?

BigCityBanker

I think the answer here depends on how long since you reloaded? If it is the very next hand or two you are imo likely to get paid off by one of the donkeys who thinks you are now tilting like a rabied donkey..

The thing is if you bet pot (60) and follow up on a non K or 10 turn you are also likely to get paid if one of them are holding a piece of the flop. Whatever happens a line of apparent agression works well just after a reload against players of a questionable standard.

TacT

I loathe because you are overbetting the pot with players that will call with any two and might gamble on someting silly.

Ste05

TacT wrote:

I loathe because you are overbetting the pot with players that will call with any two and might gamble on someting silly.

If this is the case, then I f'ing love it!! Why wouldn't you want someone to call a huge overbet with any 2 or to gamble with something silly??

AmarilloFats

TacT wrote:

I loathe because you are overbetting the pot with players that will call with any two and might gamble on someting silly.

LOL Tact.

I much prefer pot bet...shove nice turn card

jimbling

Ste05 wrote:

If this is the case, then I f'ing love it!! Why wouldn't you want someone to call a huge overbet with any 2 or to gamble with something silly??

i think he means if you don't overbet it.

fuzzbox

your line is really bad spectre.
Just bet normally. Even morons can fold JT to your shove, but might well call a pot bet.

cardshark202

AmarilloFats wrote:

I much prefer pot bet...shove nice turn card

.

bubbleking

is this not one of them situations where you only get called by a hand that has you beat..

how donkish can these lads be??

ianmc38

Really really really bad line IMHO.

Ste05

jimbling wrote:

i think he means if you don't overbet it.

ahhh, maybe. Would make a little sense alright. But I think just build up the pot the normal way. i.e. Pot

TacT

jimbling wrote:

i think he means if you don't overbet it.

yup, there's no reason to overbet it and scare them off, you want to extract value and build the pot.

valor

I dont mind this, against these idiots and given recent history

I would rather play it normally but I think if either has an Ace you have a very good chance of getting looked up

cardshark202

But they might fold a middler draw or something that they wouldn't like to risk their whole stack on. Shoving here is awful.

spectre

valor wrote:

I dont mind this, against these idiots and given recent history

I would rather play it normally but I think if either has an Ace you have a very good chance of getting looked up

This is precisely what I was thinking at the time.

As it happened, I was called by the button who had AK. A king appeared on the turn but I managed to re-suckout by hitting a Queen on the river.

At the time I was thinking that it may be an okay line but in hindsight, I think we lose too much value when they fold weak aces, other Kx and draw type hands. But I doubled up and it's all about the results, right?

phantom_lord

Don't like at all. I reckon most of the time you either get stacked by a better hand or get no action from worse hands.