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Ruling opinions

  • 18-12-2006 3:11pm
    #1
    TrueDub
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    The following happened to me when playing in Vegas recently. I'd be interested in peoples' opinions of the ruling.

    I was playing 1/2 nl at the MGM Grand poker room - nice room, efficiently run. I was involved in a pot to showdown with one other player, a very pleasant guy. I showed 2 pair, he showed his hand and the dealer mucked it. The dealer was just pushing the pot to me, when another player piped up that the other guy had a straight. The dealer removed the other guy's cards from the muck and he did indeed have a straight, which I had not seen previously.

    After calling & talking to the Floor manager (quite unpleasant, another story) the other guy was awarded the pot. Now, I can understand this, as he had the best hand and natural justice says that he wins, no problem. My only area of concern is that the dealer had mucked his hand and then retrieved it.

    Anybody got any thoughts on this?


Comments

  • #2
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    I think the key thing here is that his cards were shown, and if everyone, including you, recognised that he had a straight by remembering his cards then I think he should win the pot via the 'Cards Speak' rule.

    However, how identifiable were his cards from the muck and are you sure they were his cards?


  • #3
    bohsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    Its becoming generally accepted that if the cards are identifiable in the muck that they can be retrieved, also as he did show his hand and others also saw the straight I would also award him the pot. Also if he had spoken up after the next hand had started it would have been too late to do anything about it, they may have tried to push you into giving him half the pot.


  • #4
    cardshark202
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    Yeah he has to get the pot, he showed his hand.


  • #5
    TrueDub
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭TrueDub


    I didn't have too many problems with the ruling, although I'm not 100% comfortable with hands being removed from the muck. For the record, I didn't see that he had a straight before the cards were mucked.

    My major issue was with the floorperson who came over. He approached from behind the dealer and before a word had been uttered he shouted "pay the man with the straight his money". He didn't like it when I asked him to listen to the dealer's story before making a decision, and then made his ruling in an offhand and brusque way, all the while staring at me as if to imply I'd no right to question the situation in the first place.

    I told him I accepted the ruling, but when I asked him if he felt I'd no right to ask for it in the first place he simply walked away.


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