Cars on D'Olier Street

D'Peoples Voice

Why are cars allowed on D'Olier Street?:mad:

Last evening I was getting a 46A, not only was the bus delayed because of the cars on o'Connell Street, causing all those people who choose to take pulic transport to get wet outside Centra,
but when the 46A took off again it was held up on D'Olier street by cars.:mad:

In fact, it took over 10mins to get from the D'Olier Street Stop to the stop on Nassau Street, because of the tailback from all the cars on D'Olier street trying to get down Westmoreland street.

Surely to god, with all the buses that use D'Olier Street and indeed those buses that take off From Poolbeg Street, and the side of Trintiy, it would make sense to make the whole area closed to private vehicles.

Send the cars from O'Connell down to Amiens Street and let them cross the bridge at custom house quay.
People in public transport should not be inconvenienced by people in cars who choose to drive.

loyatemu

i believe the whole city centre area is to be re-organised once the mythical Macken St. bridge is opened. Hopefully this will include proper bus priority on the whole Nassau-College Green-Westmoreland-O'Connell-D'Olier axis.

Hotblack Desiato

D'Peoples Voice wrote:

Send the cars from O'Connell down to Amiens Street and let them cross the bridge at custom house quay.

And then they go down the quays and turn left onto... D'Olier St?!

People in public transport should not be inconvenienced by people in cars who choose to drive.

I totally agree but try selling that point of view to DCC. After all they get a substantial chunk of their funding from road tax.

Ham'nd'egger

loyatemu wrote:

i believe the whole city centre area is to be re-organised once the mythical Macken St. bridge is opened. Hopefully this will include proper bus priority on the whole Nassau-College Green-Westmoreland-O'Connell-D'Olier axis.

Certainly for the moment, a bus lane on D'olier Street continuing onto College Green would make life on the street a lot more bearable for buses.

Calina

But it's not even just that simple. I got the Aircoach from Dublin airport yesterday evening, left at around 17.20 and got as far as just short of the turn off for North Frederick Street okay. From then it took roughly half an hour to get to the bus stop in front of the Gresham Hotel. Even where you take private cars out of the occasion, things are still problematic.

DerekP11

Hamndegger wrote:

Certainly for the moment, a bus lane on D'olier Street continuing onto College Green would make life on the street a lot more bearable for buses.

and taxis.;)

AlekSmart

D`PV has a very good point here but it also prompts some other questions.

Given that Dublin Bus absolutely and resolutely Insist upon stuffing an ever increasing number of additional Routes and their associated (and larger) vehicles through a Street Corridor which has had a width reduction of some 30% along its length it`s not rocket science to suspect something`s gotta give.

With Dublin City Council,The DTO and the Gardai all looking into the middle distance whilst whistling softly the unfortunate Bus Passenger is subject to all forms of strange and unusual punishment each day.

Certainly the poor weather and the Christmas Traffic volumes this week largely reduced most Dublin Bus cross city schedules to a smouldering heap.

One of the simplest yet most productive items which would alleviate much of the present grief ( in addition to a few Island Bus Stops at strategic points) would be the immediate removal of ALL Pay and Display Car Parking along the right hand side of Nassau St.

I can see NO justification (except official bloody mindedness) for the retention of approx 50 day-long parking spaces which actively restrict public-transport movement along this vital corridor.

I am also somewhat puzzzled by the disappearance of a rather simple and attractive sounding plan which Dublin Bus were proposing sometime back.
This envisaged moving the current stops for the 10,11,14,15,46A routes to a new location at the Heraldic Museum on Kildare St.
The actual Bus Stops were even erected for this and utilized temporarily during some road works but after that it fizzled out.

Currently the amount of vehicular grief which exists as a constant stream of maximum length buses are forced to address their stops on the extreme left of Nassau St,then having loaded,these same Buses have to barge back across to the extreme Right (bar one) lane in order to turn into Kildare St anyway.

In order to perform this hazardous and totally avoidable manouvere the Buses have to attempt to part the black sea of cars attempting to progress straight along Sth Frederick St towards Merrion Sq.
Even here in this short stretch,our ever considerate City Council continues to put the on-street parking requirements of a handful of car owners before the needs of thousands of Public Transport users daily.

So too it is at St Stephens Green North,where since the reversal of traffic flow,DCC have clung manfully to the provision of less than a dozen nose-to-kerb spaces on the lead in to the Bus Stops there.

This little stretch regularly sees car traffic whizzing through the Red Traffic signals at the Kildare St junction whilst Bus Traffic has to attempt to look through the parked cars and worse still tradesmens vans in order to make a (usually unsuccessful) attempt at safe operation.

It would appear that swapping the Car Park spaces and the Bus Stops was never considered and when a journalist friend attempted to get information from the Garda Press Office as to whether they had approved such a dangerous arrangement he was nearly decapitated as the hatches were slammed shut !

So D`PV unless your solutions cost in excess of a Billon € and are of mindblowing complexity then do not expect any interest from Dublin City Authorities.
This is the Irish Republic-We don`t do simple stuff any more cos we`re too Rich !!!!

Seth Brundle

D'Peoples Voice wrote:

People in public transport should not be inconvenienced by people in cars who choose to drive.

Don't make the assumption that everyone inside a car chooses to be there. For many (like myself) there is no viable alternative.

Guy:Incognito

Exactly. Some of us have a car load of tools that need to be carted around with us.


Maybe all the busses could stop at the canal, to keep the city centre clearer for cars? whats that you say? you'd be inconvenienced? Oh well seeing as your the most important person and need access to all the roads when it suits you.............

Victor

1,000 Dublin Bus vehicles move 500,000 people per day
500,000 private cars move 600,000 people per day

Which should get priority?

AlekSmart wrote:

This envisaged moving the current stops for the 10,11,14,15,46A routes to a new location at the Heraldic Museum on Kildare St.

Its certainly an idea, but isn't the footpath a little narrow there?

Time Magazine

It has taken me 25 mins to get onto the quays on the 66B at 16:27 from College Street. I think a major problem is pedestrians jumping the lights. It might be only two people that holds up a bus 3 or 4 seconds, but that stops two more busses from getting onto Aston Quay. It adds up.

AlekSmart

Victor asks:::: "Its certainly an idea, but isn't the footpath a little narrow there?"

Not particularly especially as the present Footpath along Nassau St ain`t exactly a Grande Avenue for the footsloggers anyway.

Plus I would see the dwell time improvements consequent upon freeing up manouvering space allowing folks to be swep up far more efficiently than at present.

It`s not Rocket Science for Chrissakes and would cost JackShyt in terms of T21 total spend.

Surely worth a trial...?????

Victor

Oh, there is also the matter of irate passengers across the street from the DoT.

AlekSmart

Hmmmm...An Irish problem methinks......requires an equally Irish solution...
Nurse...?.....Quickly ...The screens !!!!! :rolleyes:

chuckberry

D'Peoples Voice wrote:

Why are cars allowed on D'Olier Street?:mad:

Last evening I was getting a 46A, not only was the bus delayed because of the cars on o'Connell Street, causing all those people who choose to take pulic transport to get wet outside Centra,
but when the 46A took off again it was held up on D'Olier street by cars.:mad:

In fact, it took over 10mins to get from the D'Olier Street Stop to the stop on Nassau Street, because of the tailback from all the cars on D'Olier street trying to get down Westmoreland street.

Surely to god, with all the buses that use D'Olier Street and indeed those buses that take off From Poolbeg Street, and the side of Trintiy, it would make sense to make the whole area closed to private vehicles.


Send the cars from O'Connell down to Amiens Street and let them cross the bridge at custom house quay.
People in public transport should not be inconvenienced by people in cars who choose to drive.

A major contribution to traffic snarl up is the College Green Pearse St Bus Station (O K I know its not really a bus station but as there are so many illegally dangerousley parked Buses and Garda cars along here they should be arrested (Who do we get to arrest them? Can't ask the Gardai as they already illegally park on Pearse St!

I don't mind the poor using buses but they take up too much road space for us car drivers

Hotblack Desiato

I don't mind the poor using buses but they take up too much road space for us car drivers

That's hilarious dude. Not.

irlirishkev

Calina wrote:

But it's not even just that simple. I got the Aircoach from Dublin airport yesterday evening, left at around 17.20 and got as far as just short of the turn off for North Frederick Street okay. From then it took roughly half an hour to get to the bus stop in front of the Gresham Hotel. Even where you take private cars out of the occasion, things are still problematic.

The big bus stop that is O'Connell Street. I sometimes get the No7 bus from the top of O'Connell Street. If I miss one during rush hour, I can be damn sure that if I walk to the bottom of the street I'll overtake it, and I can then hop on there. The street is flooded with buses, so many, that they all slow eachother down, and make it impossible to stick to a timetable.

stipey

1,000 Dublin Bus vehicles move 500,000 people per day
500,000 private cars move 600,000 people per day

Which should get priority?

Motorbikes?

AlekSmart

IrishKev...will ya shush !!!!......There`ll be someone along in a minute to tell ya there`s not enuf buses usin O Connell St....;)

Wishbone Ash

AlekSmart wrote:

There`ll be someone along in a minute to tell ya there`s not enuf buses usin O Connell St....;)

There's not enough buses using O'Connell Street!

michaelanthony

Who made the peasantry literate

Victor

stipey wrote:

Motorbikes?

Only a few percent.