dropping TPTK

DeVore

I rarely put hands up for discussion but this one is in my head a bit.

You have AhKc in MP. A few limpers so you make it 12 to go (its PLHE). Called in 3 spots. Flop is Ks6h4h. Its checked to you (two checks ahead and on player behind). You bet 55. Called by the player behind you (lets call him Player C) and reraised to 270 by EP (Player A).

You have 600 behind and Player C has about 300 while player A has just less then 100 behind.

Some info on the two players. Player C is chinese and while he certainly lacks none of his countrymens stereotypical gambooool, he's not an idiot and seems to play solid enough. Player A has been playing with me for a few hours, he has previously given me a fair bit of respect and certainly this shove is out of character for him, he hasnt shown a tendancy for big moves before.

I folded after a bit of a think. I reckon Player A has 66, 44 or KQ/Jh. I reckon Player C is on a flush draw though I could have been wrong as he took a long time to fold to the CR. Player A mucked quickly and didnt claim anything.
Two people I talked to reckoned it was:
1. Marginal Fold
2. Easy fold.

My feeling is its probably a fold everytime though it wasnt easy to put it down because of the lack of hands ahead of me except a set.

I'm not so much posting this for reassurance that I did the right thing but to see what other people would have done.

DeV.

valor

Given your read on player A it seems like a fairly easy fold, you are either totally crushed or marginally in front

DeVore

It isnt so much a read as a belief that he could not have called with something like 64 or K6 given the raise, nor would he CR the nut flush draw, so barring a totally ballsy bluff I can only think of that hand range. He starred at me hard which only made me think he may not have wanted a call but as far as a "read" goes... I was just applying what logic I could to the situation tempered by his previous play.

DeV.

valor

you have the Ah which decreases the likelihood of a draw

DeVore

valor wrote:

you have the Ah which decreases the likelihood of a draw

Sorry, yes... more reason why I could only reasonably put him on the three hands mentioned.

DeV.

Hectorjelly

AQ AJ AT? A lot of live players will show up with AQ there. Id fold if I thought he was pretty tight.

valor

Do you mean KQ?

Iago

If I think he's a really tight player I probably fold here. I don't think it's an easy fold and I've been known to go busto here more than once.

I hate TPTK, especially when there's two low cards on the board with a re-raise to consider.

Yeah I fold, but I'll spend the next 10-20 minutes convincing myself he had AK/KQ

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

If this is live in the fitz I'm probably going broke here against 99% of the players in there.

DeVore

This was live in the Fitz and you are right, against the players the previous night I would have called. This guy was no muppet, he limped in and flat-called the raise when he could have stuck 50 in at that point which made me discount AK, AA, KK. My only read on him is that he really doesnt seem to want to allow the flush draw (Player C) to draw. I think he's happy to take me on as I've defined my hand reasonably well.
He hasnt shown a tendancy for big moves though I believe he is probably capable of them. He's shown a distinct tendancy to stay out of my way as I've shown down big hands everytime and had been playing tight enough. In the previous 10 minutes I've crucified one guy with the nuts for 250 (a total gift from awful play) and only the hand prior to this had shown AK as well (played quite aggressively). I havent made a big laydown all night so I cant think that he thinks I can be pressured through a squeeze play IS a possibility.

In the end, I'm not really worrying about the specifics. I made my choice, I'm reasonably happy with it. I was just trying to callibrate if I'm roughly in line with best-practise as the forum sees it, or completely bonkers.
Bohsman reckoned it was a marginal fold but probably a good one. Biteme had no doubt and said it was an easy fold.

DeV.