live stt, river decision

phantom_lord

not much hand analysis going on at the mo so I thought I'd throw this up.

opponent is very lag, and range is pretty wide, likes to follow draws, overvalues his hand and is prone to bluffing.

he has 7.5k
I've about 8.5k.
5 handed

blinds are 150/300.

He open raises to 800 in mp.

folded to me on the button and I call with jd10d

blinds fold.

flop
aa8r

Hechecks, I check.

Turn.
kd puts diamond draw on the board.

He bets 800.
I repop to 2k.
he calls.

River.
10.

He pushs.


anyone think we might be ahead?

AKQJ10

id wait for a better spot.

sikes

sometimes yes, hardly ever though

cardshark202

fold preflop(re-raise). and instafold now.

Hectorjelly

preflop call is so bad I couldnt read any further

phantom_lord

Hectorjelly wrote:

preflop call is so bad I couldnt read any further

edit, blinds were 150/3.

RoadSweeper

Some times a monster, some times high card 5, its not worth it tbh, as said before, wait for a better spot.


For fun, im guessing he had a monster with QJ

Shadowless

lol

You forgot to mention you flipped your cards face up after the shove tryin to get a read

Fold for me, though I prob wudda re-raised pre-flop considerin the amount of messin goin on.

"DO NOT RAISE MY BUTTON"

cardshark202

phantom_lord wrote:

edit, blinds were 150/3.

Doesn't make the call preflop any better I'm afraid..

phantom_lord

Shadowless wrote:

lol

You forgot to mention you flipped your cards face up after the shove tryin to get a read

Should my hand be ruled dead for doing this?

"DO NOT RAISE MY BUTTON"

or my blinds...

phantom_lord

cardshark202 wrote:

Doesn't make the call preflop any better I'm afraid..

Standard raise? I've the button, my cards are sooooted!!, and the guys range is pretty wide. Plus I took a couple few pots off him earlier on with air when I called his raises in position, so I think I can outplay him pf.

mewso

Classic case of Ten-Jack-itis masquerading as a calculated call.

BobSloane

I would have played it more passively and lost money.
I would definetly call pre-flop, just call the turn and probably fold to a big push on the river.
How not to play J10 suited i guess but I'm sure thats how that hand would have panned out for me

phantom_lord

I dunno about u lot but the river push to me suggested busted draw, I didn't think he'd make that move with an ace, so obviously I called. He had j10o. i thought it was a good call.

phantom_lord

musician wrote:

Classic case of Ten-Jack-itis masquerading as a calculated call.

did i mention my cards were soooted.

Hectorjelly

The stacks are still too short to be doing any type of flat calling preflop, ESPECIALLY with suited connectors. Cold calling 1/10 of someones stack is bad play period.

For the hand itself, the turn raise is only good if you are trying to induce an all in on the river. (its so small that he will call with any draw, miss and then panic shove) Since you have J high at the moment this isnt the line I would choose.

On the river I think you have to call

Iago

Haven't read any responses but I don't think I'm flat calling for 10% of my stack preflop with suited connecters here.

As played I think you're way behind on the river, you've enough chips to get back in contention....I think I fold here, really can't see him trying this with anything we beat, regardless of how much he likes to bluff!

I think he has either Ax or KQ here.

edit: read the responses now, you got the right result but I think you played the hand badly. If you do this 100 times I reckon you lose at least 80-85% of the time.

phantom_lord

Hectorjelly wrote:

The stacks are still too short to be doing any type of flat calling preflop, ESPECIALLY with suited connectors. Cold calling 1/10 of someones stack is bad play period.

For the hand itself, the turn raise is only good if you are trying to induce an all in on the river. (its so small that he will call with any draw, miss and then panic shove) Since you have J high at the moment this isnt the line I would choose.

On the river I think you have to call

You'd fold pf?


Just call the turn?

RoadSweeper

phantom_lord wrote:

Should my hand be ruled dead for doing this?

Yea, whats the ruling on this?

phantom_lord

RoadSweeper wrote:

Yea, whats the ruling on this?

Maybe I'm wrong, I thought I could show one card hu?

RoadSweeper

I seen it in a pub tourney where he showed both cards (like you) and yer man's hand was delcared dead.

It lead to a debate with the TD and he declared the hand dead. Yer man was sayin he'd seen it done on telly etc....