PLO8 Hand

ianmc38

This is a hand that took place on Saturday night. The game is dealers choice and the game is 7 handed. For this hand, I'm on the button and the game is 6card Omaha Hi-Lo. Blinds are 3-3.

Some notes about the game. It's been playing ridiculously loose. Most players see every flop. There is one older gentleman who has seen every flop for 5 hours for any amount of money. He won a monster pot earlier with an 8 high flush and covers the table.

The rest of the table are ok. There's noone in the game who I've thought to be overly impressive.

There is a straddle to 6. I call on the button with 46789Q

SB repops it to 20.

Everyone sees the flop of

Q56

It's checked to me and I bet the pot of 120 (stupid post didnt edit correctly).

3 callers. The 1st is a solid player in the SB. Second caller has just sat down. He seems to be a local regular and I'd imagine a big loser in the game. He's already stuck for a few buyins. The 3rd caller is the older gambly gentleman. He can have any pair or any draw.

Turn (480)

T

Checked around the table to me.

I have 410 left behind. SB has about the same. UTG has 125 and the older gent has everyone well covered.

What's my action here and why?

5starpool

Mother of god that sounds like a mad game and I wouldn't have a clue as to best strategy for it. If I found myself here though I would be thinking along the lines of having a terrible low draw, and not a great high hand either. Only bet if you think you are not getting called imo.

cardshark202

Shove

ianmc38

cardshark202 wrote:

Shove

Why?

cardshark202

ianmc38 wrote:

Why?

I expect a set to raise the flop, you likely have the best hand, let them all draw to the low and ship you the pot. You have top three pair, little wrap and some low blockers. Getting it in sounds good to me.

careca

Wow.

You have to believe every conceivable draw is out there (nut flush, nut low, nut straight), therefore you have about 8 outs to the nuts (high) yourself. If you pot it, you might get rid of the low draws (as they could believe they would be splitting the low). The easy option is to take a free card and evaluate on the river, but I think I would pot it.

Very tricky.

ianmc38

cardshark202 wrote:

I expect a set to raise the flop, you likely have the best hand, let them all draw to the low and ship you the pot. You have top three pair, little wrap and some low blockers. Getting it in sounds good to me.

Sorry. The ten in my hand should be a 9 as I had top and 3 pair on the turn with a wrap.

careca

Also, there is no card that can come on the river which is not a scare card for you, unless of course it gives you the nuts. Either pot it now or be willing to fold the river fairly easily.

ligger

Ian, I don't like this. You have 0 chance of winning low hand if an 8 or less comes that does not pair the board. What cards give you the nuts? Is it just a Q or do have a straight draw that will give you the nuts? With 6 cards and 3 other players there is a lot of cards that will not be good for you on the river. Even at a loose table I would fold this pre flop to avoid these decisions.

cardshark202

ianmc38 wrote:

Sorry. The ten in my hand should be a 9 as I had top and 3 pair on the turn with a wrap.

Ok well I still pot it here. You could still have the best hand and you have an ok wrap. There are times where someone will wake up with KQJT9x and A234xx and stuff but in general potting it seems grand.

ianmc38

ligger wrote:

Ian, I don't like this. You have 0 chance of winning low hand if an 8 or less comes that does not pair the board. What cards give you the nuts? Is it just a Q or do have a straight draw that will give you the nuts? With 6 cards and 3 other players there is a lot of cards that will not be good for you on the river. Even at a loose table I would fold this pre flop to avoid these decisions.

I'm not playing for my low draw on the flop. The hand is definitely foldable preflop but I have position against average post-flop opponents with a hand that has scoop potential.

ligger

ianmc38 wrote:

I'm not playing for my low draw on the flop. The hand is definitely foldable preflop but I have position against average post-flop opponents with a hand that has scoop potential.

You feel you will scoop when there is no low hand is that right? Of do you think you still have a good low hand? Just want to be clear in my head (or as clear as it gets):)

ianmc38

This was my thinking on the flop:

SB was a solid enough player at each of the games. For him to repop it from the blinds I think he has AAxxxx, A23xxx, A24xxx or another similar hand.

The gambler with the big tank is in there with any 6 cards. UTg is stuck a little and he can be there with any six as well.

I figure I have the best hand with top 2, hence my potting. I also have a good wrap to the nuts and some non-nut backdoor draws. If I pot, I may also get rid of some low draws from the hand. I know the guy with the big tank will call and the SB will call with the nut low draw. If I'm raised I'm pretty sure someone has a set. If I check behind, then I may have to fold the best high hand if a low card comes on the turn. If I pot the flop and a high card comes on the turn, then I can pot again and chase out any low draws as they'll be drawing incorrectly to half the pot.

The turn in this case was a perfect card as it improved my hand. When everyone checked I think i still have the best high hand. I knwo the gambler will call with any draw. I think the SB will fold his low. I'm unsure about UTG but as he only ahs 125 behind, I'll still have a side pot of 550 to win against the gambler if my hand is good.

I pushed. The SB went into the tank for ages before folding. UTG pushed and the gambler called.

The river brought a king. UTG tabled QT78xx and won the main pot with 2 pair. The gambler mucked 789xxx.

The reason I posted this hand is that the SB and another player berated me for my play in the hand (the other player was Steve Vladar). They thought I made a very bad mistake by pushing the turn and were very vocal in telling me so. I was perfectly happy with my play on the turn and would do it everytime.

5starpool

where was this game?

boba_fett3099

Fold preflop but as played its quite a difficult spot to be in. Your thinking for pushing the turn sounds okay but generally its not a good idea to be playing a big pot when your drawing for both halves of the pot (probably drawing dead for the low half!).

ianmc38

boba_fett3099 wrote:

generally its not a good idea to be playing a big pot when your drawing for both halves of the pot (probably drawing dead for the low half!).

I'm not drawing. I'm betting my two pair thinking they are good against the SB who i feel has a bare low draw and thinking the gambler will call with any bag o crud. As weak a holding as I had for the high, I still felt it was good against the remaining players in the hnd and at worst i have some nut redraws along with a ton of other non nut redraws. I aslo felt that the gambler may not even have a low draw, so my 47 low could be good (i'd chopped an O8 hand with him the night before when he chased a backdoor flush draw when I had top set and he hit on the river. Luckily i had a brutal low that took half the pot)

Dom the game was in Luton.

ligger

ianmc38 wrote:

the game was in Luton.

This is the trouble you get in for missing the KO in the main event.

ianmc38

ligger wrote:

This is the trouble you get in for missing the KO in the main event.

It was probably the most enjoyable live cash game I've played due to the number of games being played. There was also tonnes of value in the game, with half the table playing on tilt and the rest being gamblers with big tanks. Unfortunately variance was not my friend for most of the night, but I got myslef out of it near the end.

RoundTower

I think you played it very well but should probably fold preflop.