my opinions on self-defence

king_of_inismac

The ability to defend yourself, in competition as well as the real world comes down to 5 attributes:

1. Male/Female: Despite what others may argue, in a typical fight between males and females, due to the increased strength of men, the advantage is with the man in MOST cases

2. Skill/Experience: Skill as a fighter is an important factor. Whether they've trained in an applied MA/boxing or have a lot of "street experience", this will affect the outcome of the encounter

3. Weight: Often underestimated, the heavier fighter does have a huge advantage. Even if the extra weight is just fat, it still counts when it's pressing down upon you.

4. Fitness: How fit you are, and how fit you're opponent is, is a crucial factor in most fights. I include strength in fitness as well

5. Intent/controlled aggressiveness: Having all faught that small guy who always keeps coming back, you'll all know that the aggressive focused fighter is a hard one to beat.

Each of these factors count as to whether you win/lose a fight. I'm not saying their necessarily equal, but they all contribute.

I think the problem occurs when people focus in on one single attribute and fail to recognise the importance of others. For example, imagine a lightweight BJJ champion. He would have a HUGE advantage against an untrained opponent.
However, let's say you put him in the ring with a fit/strong guy, twice his weight, and more aggressive well I don't think the outcome would be the same (I know the bjj guys would differ in their opinions, but I could change the MA to judo and I'd believe the same would apply)

Opinions please?

Valmont

king_of_inismac wrote:

For example, imagine a lightweight BJJ champion. He would have a HUGE advantage against an untrained opponent.
However, let's say you put him in the ring with a fit/strong guy, twice his weight, and more aggressive well I don't think the outcome would be the same (I know the bjj guys would differ in their opinions, but I could change the MA to judo and I'd believe the same would apply)
Opinions please?

Well I would wager that a lightweight 'bjj champion' would definitely submit a fit/strong guy twice his size that hasn't trained Bjj. I think every MMA/Bjj club has these sort of guys that come along occaisonally, weightlifters and the likes

Baggio...

Intent/aggressiveness (or mindset) as you put it - is the most important factor IMO.

B.

astfgl

king_of_inismac wrote:

For example, imagine a lightweight BJJ champion. He would have a HUGE advantage against an untrained opponent.
However, let's say you put him in the ring with a fit/strong guy, twice his weight, and more aggressive well I don't think the outcome would be the same

I am a lightweight BJJ champion (well i've won a few competitions) and I find that the only difference between a newbie the same size as me and a newbie twice as big/strong as me is how long it takes me to tap them. In something as skill orientated as BJJ it doesn't matter how big your opponent is, just how good they are. Sure, its slower going against big fat guys, or weight lifters who just sit in your guard and hold your hands and do nothing, but it just means that it will take me longer to submit them (not even that much longer usually).

yomchi

Baggio... wrote:

Intent/aggressiveness (or mindset) as you put it - is the most important factor IMO.

B.

Took the words out of mouth! Or the letters from under my fingers

Mindset is the biggest attribute. Take into consideration the UFC fighters for example, the best of that bunch are the best because of their mental toughness and confidence. Skill comes second. Infact put any fighter in that catagory. The people at the top of their game are there because they want to be and they wont let no one move them from the top.

yomchi

astfgl wrote:

I am a lightweight BJJ champion (well i've won a few competitions) and I find that the only difference between a newbie the same size as me and a newbie twice as big/strong as me is how long it takes me to tap them. In something as skill orientated as BJJ it doesn't matter how big your opponent is, just how good they are. Sure, its slower going against big fat guys, or weight lifters who just sit in your guard and hold your hands and do nothing, but it just means that it will take me longer to submit them (not even that much longer usually).

True!
I roll with a blue belt in my club, Benny's a great guy.
Am I stronger than him? damn right
Am I faster than him? damn right
Am I younger than him? damn right
Would I beat him in a race? damn right

Will he tap me everytime - damn right (for now )

FiannaGym.com

The over riding factor is Luck, it is the biggest and most important factor.

In my experience, "Intent" and "aggressiveness" are notions used as the magic plug-in for non-functioning training. You get dudes who train total rubbish but "know" they can "turn it on" when the time comes, which is nonsense.

The ability to put your mind where it needs to be in competition is a Skill, as is the ability to motivate yourself to train, and knowing how to train well.

In short, all of competitive fighting is skill.

Peace

Valmont

astfgl wrote:

I am a lightweight BJJ champion (well i've won a few competitions) and I find that the only difference between a newbie the same size as me and a newbie twice as big/strong as me is how long it takes me to tap them. In something as skill orientated as BJJ it doesn't matter how big your opponent is, just how good they are. Sure, its slower going against big fat guys, or weight lifters who just sit in your guard and hold your hands and do nothing, but it just means that it will take me longer to submit them (not even that much longer usually).

Although I'm no Bjj champion I completely agree. It usually justs takes longer with the muscle bound types. They tend to go for head locks and bear holds which I find can slow everything down.

yomchi

In short, all of competitive fighting is skill.

I would disagree Fianna,

If you can get your hands on an old copy of 'winning ways' (video) you'll see a study done in the US on top level olympic athletes. The results were conlusive; the athlete who prepared physically only, never beat the athlete who prepared both mentally and physically. One cannot operate without the other.

The ability to put your mind where it needs to be in competition is a Skill, as is the ability to motivate yourself to train, and knowing how to train well

To obtain a skill, one must practice it. Any practicing of developing a mind skill is mental training. Therefore have you answered your own argument?

yomchi

The over riding factor is Luck, it is the biggest and most important factor.

I think any fighter giving up a win to the presence of lucj is selling themselves short

Luck in a competitive fight IMO is where the opposite corner throw in the towel by mistake, the other fighter is feeling a tad sick just before the bout etc..

IMO success is made by having the will to win and having the will to prepare both physically and mentally.

Millionaire

to win..or even survive an SD situation... 1 fact first... it happens when you are least prepared, so your defending off a bad back footing against someone who is well turned on..or mad violent due to drink/drugs/nutter etc etc...

The only thing that will turn the tables and allow you to win, so pure and total aggression with a win at all costs attitude.

Technique, game plans, skills, luck go all out the window.

You can speculate all you want, I 've been there plenty of times. I know how it goes down out there.

FiannaGym.com

Jon, you don't disagree with me, you misunderstand my post.

I said "The ability to put your mind where it needs to be in competition is a Skill".

Peace

yomchi

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Jon, you don't disagree with me, you misunderstand my post.

I said "The ability to put your mind where it needs to be in competition is a Skill".

Peace

My apologies. Agree with you 100%