bad play or unlucky

bombinator

playing in 50c1 ,6 handed game on betfair..

average stack is around 80, ihave 72 and villian had 70...

the play HAS been very loose and lot of fishy raises and calls.
im on big blind with QQ...
there was 5 limpers so i raise to 5,50..only one caller ,a loose fish on botton<calls with any hand>.
Flop is AQ3o..great flop and i try to get as much money off fish as i can
i cheque the flop,,,villian raisses to 8,i just flat call
Turn is a 7 another good card for me..i cheque again .he bets 8 and i flat call.<was going to go all in but felt he could not have hand to beat me at this stage>
riv was a J...i raise 12 he goes all in...i call instantly and AM so pissed when he turns over K10 for nut straight...
Angry at this fishy play but also pissed i have let him a catch to hit 3 outer on riv...
was i to greedy in this pot to trap and just get rid of him realy by initial bets..?
knew he needed miracle to beat me after flop so played it accordinly.
FOOLISH OR JUST UNLUCKY

RasTa

Yeah bad play, you checked on every street so can't comment that he is a fish.

Lafortezza

bombinator wrote:

Flop is AQ3o..great flop and i try to get as much money off fish as i can

You've a great hand, you want to get as much money off the other guy as possible, but you just check the flop and turn??

bombinator

i cheques the flop and river because the fish was doing all the betting for me..why chase him away..
he as it turned out was drawing to 3 outs so if he hit the K he might pay me off more..
i raise the flop say to 12 he folds and i get little value for such powerful hand..im 90%fav to win after turn.. why chase a fish away..

Lazare

bombinator wrote:

i cheques the flop and river because the fish was doing all the betting for me..why chase him away..
he as it turned out was drawing to 3 outs so if he hit the K he might pay me off more..
i raise the flop say to 12 he folds and i get little value for such powerful hand..im 90%fav to win after turn.. why chase a fish away..

You bet every street because you described him as a loose fish that will call with anything.
Sandbagging suks, it's just wasting value.

LuckyLloyd

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TacT

Reraise more preflop, if there were 5 limpers then I like a raise to at least 8 and more then lead flop hard and all-in on blank turn card.

RasTa

bombinator wrote:

i cheques the flop and river because the fish was doing all the betting for me..why chase him away..
he as it turned out was drawing to 3 outs so if he hit the K he might pay me off more..
i raise the flop say to 12 he folds and i get little value for such powerful hand..im 90%fav to win after turn.. why chase a fish away..

Yeah and if the river comes blank what will you do, check again?
Or you bet and he folds.....

cooker3

You should definately get it all in on turn, if he didn't his 3 outer on the river how do you think you will get any more money of him
Also,

bombinator wrote:

Turn is a 7 another good card for me..i cheque again .he bets 8 and i flat call.<was going to go all in but felt he could not have hand to beat me at this stage>

I am not sure quite what you mean by this, I mean if he had a hand that did beat you would you then push?

You played this way too passive for my liking

RoundTower

bit of both.

valor

You played it horribly, and got unlucky.

I dont see how you make the logical jump from "trying to get as much money of a fish that calls with any hand" to checking all 3 streets with top set

BobSloane

I would have probably bet the flop and pushed the turn.
I always find it very suspicious when someone raises pre-flop and checks a flop with an ace. Obviously the villain didn't but what do you think he's betting at you with? Very possible A3 or A7 drawing to a bigger house than you could make with another A - or as it turns out he was very ambitious with a gutshot straight. You were unlucky but you need a bigger hand than a set to play this passivly. Also for your table cred I find you're better to bet at hands like this as it gives the "when I've got a hand I bet" message which will command more respect when you bet at hands to follow when you have much more marginal holdings.
Also you have the nuts at all points in the hand(with exception of villain having AA which is very unlikely as he didn't raise pre-flop with all the limpers) and you choose to bet on the river when the board has finally become a little scary. I know what you're hoping to happen - the villain misses whatever he's drawing to and pushes on the river in an attempt to take the pot but it backfired. Unlucky - yes - he was 10 to 1 on the turn roughly but you never made him make a tough decision in the hand and this was poor play I think more than bad luck.

bombinator

thank all for comments..
i tried to be smart and hide the quality of my hand.
i wanted him to think i had KK or high pair and was worried by the A..therefore hoped he would try to bet me off the pot.. there was no straight/flush evident and he was doing all the betting so i tought he was connected in someway with the flop..
when the J hit i did think for one second about K10 but refused to believe he play a gutshot this way...
i paid the price for slow playing, but i tought he had a piece of the flop so i wanted him to think he was ahead to whole time.
ye all push the turn..why?? if he had A Xetc why scare him away. the fact he hit a 10.1 shot means i completely messed up the hand? before he bluffed a number of times on the riv and wanted him to do same .

bombinator

thank all for comments..
i tried to be smart and hide the quality of my hand.
i wanted him to think i had KK or high pair and was worried by the A..therefore hoped he would try to bet me off the pot.. there was no straight/flush evident and he was doing all the betting so i tought he was connected in someway with the flop..
when the J hit i did think for one second about K10 but refused to believe he play a gutshot this way...
i paid the price for slow playing, but i tought he had a piece of the flop so i wanted him to think he was ahead to whole time.
ye all push the turn..why?? if he had A Xetc why scare him away. the fact he hit a 10.1 shot means i completely messed up the hand? before he bluffed a number of times on the riv and wanted him to do same .

BobSloane

You tried to make him think u had KK? U say he was fishy - very hard to convince people like that u have such a specific hand. As it turns out he was drawing to beat u and didn't care what u had. I think he made a mistake betting the turn as he was getting a free card for the nuts and if you had reraised him significantly here he would(or should) have had to throw his hand away. You never laid a price on him to draw. Thats why you had to bet the turn. You had the best hand and he was very possibly drawing to beat you(also with 2 pair including the ace). I think if he had also checked the turn he would have played the hand perfectly. The reason for the push on the turn is so he has to say to himself " I'm 10-1 to draw for that J and the pot is only laying me 3- 1 or whatever." This gives him to the oppurtunity to make a mistake which you will profit from 9 times out of 10. If he does the correct thing and throws his hand away you also win - although you don't get to break him

RacingSilver

I think your play was fine until you called the turn. You should have check raised at this point.
In this situation you called a bet on the turn but bet out on the river !
That play doesn’t make sense. If your opponent is on a draw you have effectively given him a free card by not raising the turn. By the time the river comes, he will either have made his draw or not made it. If he has not made it, you won’t get any more money out of him by betting the river. If he has made it, you’re giving away money by betting out on the river. The idea is to charge him on the turn for his draw, so raise it up !

gosplan

bombinator wrote:

i cheques the flop and river because the fish was doing all the betting for me..why chase him away..
he as it turned out was drawing to 3 outs so if he hit the K he might pay me off more..
i raise the flop say to 12 he folds and i get little value for such powerful hand..im 90%fav to win after turn.. why chase a fish away..

I see you point here but your tactic is a win small/lose big one.

Check the flop, he bets.

Check the turn, most good players here will check behind.

On the river he either folds or stacks you and the second happened this time.

When you have trips your aim is to make money off people with top pair/two pair. When you bet they'll come along.

You do not want to go up against draws beacause they either miss and don't pay you or take everything.

You have to accept that if no-one has an ace on that flop then you're not getting anything else for your queens. Bet, take pot...next hand!