Tips for grappling

yomchi

Had a great training session in BJJ last night. Towards the end we did some grappling, I was rolling with a guy and I ended up on all fours, with him trying to get a choke in. I remained there with my hands in place to prevent the choke going on. I felt him pulling at me as he tried to turn me, me in my inexperience tried to use his force of pulling and decided to go with him, unfortunately I ended up in a rear naked choke.

I asked Ray to go over some stuff with me next week to avoid that and he will. Until then I'd appreciate any tips on coming out of this position of being on all fours.

Ta!

john kavanagh

like all positions in grappling there's a plethora of techniques. depending on your partners intent, movement, weight positioning etc you will have to chose the right technique at the right moment...

however here is some advice on that position from one of my fav BJJ practicioners/instructors/competitors saulo ribeiro

yomchi

john kavanagh wrote:

like all positions in grappling there's a plethora of techniques. depending on your partners intent, movement, weight positioning etc you will have to chose the right technique at the right moment...

however here is some advice on that position from one of my fav BJJ practicioners/instructors/competitors saulo ribeiro

Thanks for that John, I'll have to wait til I get home to listen to it as there is no speakers on this PC.
The position the other guy was in was he had his legs where mine were and he was lying directly on my back trying to work his hands in. I couldn't move to the right or left. Backwards was MY only option which landed me in the choke.

john kavanagh

Jon wrote:

Backwards was MY only option..

it may certainly have seemed that way

actually where/when does this rolling take place? might drop out to get a chance to work with some new bodies

yomchi

Its a beginners class Ray Butcher runs. Unfortunately it was the last roll of the night so I didn't have a chance to ask him about it, but he said he'd cover it next week.

Funny im starting to enjoy BJJ 'sparring' more than my stand up. There seems like there's much more to be thinking about, maybe becaus its new territory for me. As a tall guy, is it the 'norm' to find shrimping and moving the hips a little harder than the compact guys?

judomick

Jon wrote:

Funny im starting to enjoy BJJ 'sparring' more than my stand up. There seems like there's much more to be thinking about, maybe becaus its new territory for me. As a tall guy, is it the 'norm' to find shrimping and moving the hips a little harder than the compact guys?

your thinking more because with standup there is a limited amount of techniques, and usually one position (standing) whereas in grappling theres various positions and hundreds of different movements and combinations of techniques a bit like chess really!

moving your hips correctly is a difficult thing to master, but when you do it will hugely improve your game, as a tall guy escaping bottom is a little more difficult as theres more of you to hold onto for your opponent, but its an advantage in other situations i.e guard!

yomchi

judomick wrote:

your thinking more because with standup there is a limited amount of techniques, and usually one position (standing) whereas in grappling theres various positions and hundreds of different movements and combinations of techniques a bit like chess really!

moving your hips correctly is a difficult thing to master, but when you do it will hugely improve your game, as a tall guy escaping bottom is a little more difficult as theres more of you to hold onto for your opponent, but its an advantage in other situations i.e guard!

Yeh I can relate to that competely. Every single position you find yourself in forces you to think more about your next move, seeing whats available, trying find out your opponents next move etc while staying safe and not giving away anything. I've also found a short session in grappling a lot more exhuasting than 3 x 2 min rounds stand up! Again thats probably inexperience.

The hips and long legs are a real bummer especially for escaping certain positions like being mounted or escaping a side control. But they are handy for maintain guard for sure!

Roper

Hey Jon,

I don't have the experience of John and Judomick, but where I'm coming from, the best method I can think of is to constantly go into that position at the start of your rolling and work from there doing different things. I was giving my back up a lot a while ago and not defending the choke well so I just gave people my back for a while and got a lot better at defending it from just trial and error.

Barry

yomchi

Roper wrote:

Hey Jon,

I don't have the experience of John and Judomick, but where I'm coming from, the best method I can think of is to constantly go into that position at the start of your rolling and work from there doing different things. I was giving my back up a lot a while ago and not defending the choke well so I just gave people my back for a while and got a lot better at defending it from just trial and error.

Barry

Sounds like a good idea Barry. Thanks mate

john kavanagh

great advice barry!

gymrabbit

jon if you can get a chance to roll/train in bJJ twice/three times a week try and do that. I think continuity in training and regular training can be extremely beneficial.

Colm_OReilly

Jon,

I call hands and knees the Galway position. Why? Well it's a great place to go to, but you definitely don't want to stay there!

In fact I find it's best not to think of it as a position, just a road marker in between say side control and you taking a tasty single leg or *gasp* pulling guard again.

Also, have you tried talking in a fake brasilian accent, the best guys I know at zhoo zhitsu all speak with one!

Colm

yomchi

Hmm i must try that Brazilian accent and see how I get on!

Roper

Jon wrote:

The hips and long legs are a real bummer especially for escaping certain positions like being mounted or escaping a side control. But they are handy for maintain guard for sure!

Plenty of advantages for us lanky (and lazy) feckers too you know. Like being able to hook a guys leg when he has side control and escape that way and avoid all that tiring shrimping:) .

You also spelled Brasilian like a European would- your first mistake!:D

Clive

Jon wrote:

Had a great training session in BJJ last night. Towards the end we did some grappling, I was rolling with a guy and I ended up on all fours, with him trying to get a choke in. I remained there with my hands in place to prevent the choke going on. I felt him pulling at me as he tried to turn me, me in my inexperience tried to use his force of pulling and decided to go with him, unfortunately I ended up in a rear naked choke.

I asked Ray to go over some stuff with me next week to avoid that and he will. Until then I'd appreciate any tips on coming out of this position of being on all fours.

Ta!

1. Grow a beard (go Team Goatee)
2. Develop accent and Brasilian spelling
3. Zhoo zhitsoo is like to make love, you know ma' frein? If you not comftable wit someone behin' you - you best to do someting quickly!
4. Consider turning over and accepting that you'll be mounted
5. If you prefer not to (some people don' like, to be on de bohhtom, ma' frien!) then protect your neck, remove a hook, and get out of Dodge. Granted that's like saying that to escape from bottom you make space and move your hips, but there you go!

FiannaGym.com

I think someone has to say it, although at first it may not be too helpful... Don't go to your knees without good control of your oponents position.

So basically don't give your back up.

Peace

Colm_OReilly

FiannaGym.com wrote:

I think someone has to say it, although at first it may not be too helpful... Don't go to your knees without good control of your oponents position.

So basically don't give your back up.

Peace

Yep! How do you solve 99% of life's problems? Just avoid them in the first place.

Gorman

This guys advise might help, I haven't watched a lot of his stuff yet, but one of the lads I roll with has been watching it and I'm finding myself getting swept all the time when I attack him in the turtle.
This has forced me to study!
I can say it does work - well on me anyway:)

Eduardo Telles turlte Guard

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MtpqmMBA5og

yomchi

Thanks lads for the tips

Tim_Murphy

Funny im starting to enjoy BJJ 'sparring' more than my stand up. There seems like there's much more to be thinking about, maybe becaus its new territory for me.

I found that happening with me as well when I started getting into Jitz. I probably because there are so many more options, positions etc, plus I think you can be a lot more creative with what you are doing when you are grappling than when you are doing standup.