Microstakes BB/100 sustainable?

peeko

Hello all,

For the first time in my poker life I've been constantly winning playing low stakes poker (obviously I don't mean every session). I'm playing a fairly TA ABC game on Tribeca and Full Tilt.

Over 12k hands at .05/.10 - .10/.25 6 Max I have a BB/100 of about 12.5.

Do you think playing a standard ABC game that this figure is sustainable up to .50/1 or higher?

Is 12k hands even enough to start thinking along these lines?

cardshark202

I would doubt it tbh. In fact I recently posted that I was running at 20ptbb/100 at PLO$100 on stars over 12k hands on 2+2. I think some guys thought I was lying lol.
I would think something like 8 or 9 is more likely to be sustainable

peeko

Even still 8-9BB/100 would still be a good figure to have. How far up the levels do you think playing a fairly solid TA ABC game would take you?

The thought of making +1000 a month is nice.

valor

I think a winrate like that is sustainable for some players, but for any players who could sustain it they will move up in levels very very fast.

peeko

when moving up that fast would you still recomend a 20xBuy in Rule? I've had enough for higher levels for a while now, but don't want to get ahead of myself and run up the levels.

I've decided to do .05/.10 twice, just incase a good rush of variance was the reason for me climbing up to .10/.25 so fast. I started off with 130 on FT and got up to 500 with-in 38 days of casual play (maybe 10 hours a week). So I'm starting off with a similar figure on Tribeca and am going to get this up to 500 also before jumping to the next level.

I can't see there being much skill difference in these 2 microstake limits, when will I see a noticable jump in skill?

ianmc38

I know a few people who have run over 10BB/100 at those stakes over a much larger number of hands. My PT datbase of 90k or so hands has me at 11bb/100 over all the levels I've played (from .10/.20 - 5/10)

In PLO(0.25/0.50 - 2/4) I am well over 10BB/100 over a large number of hands and I think it's sustainable. In the bigger games(5/10-10/20) I'm running at just under 5bb/100 over 9k hands but those games are alot tougher with far less fish...

luckylucky

peeko wrote:

I can't see there being much skill difference in these 2 microstake limits, when will I see a noticable jump in skill?

Imo I think the biggest jump in skill is from .5/1 to 1/2.

For what it's worth I think your winrate is sustainable at that level, I mean there are guys winning 10bb/100 at higher levels than that so 12.5 bb/100 I would have thought for a decent boardie playing microstakes is very doable.
The lowest stakes I've played with any significant number is .5/1 so can't comment from experience on stakes lower but obviously enough the stndard I'm sure is even worse in them.

I found the .$.5/$1 very beatable and though I did not have enough hands to give a totally accurate bb/100 I was running close to 20bb/100,no doubt this would have dropped down somewhat over time, still I could well imagine beating that game for 12bb/100. So keep up the goodwork and don't listen to the naysayers.

The only thing is as Valor says if guys can beat the level for 12.5 bb/100 they don't stick at it for long.

peeko wrote:

when moving up that fast would you still recomend a 20xBuy in Rule? I've had enough for higher levels for a while now, but don't want to get ahead of myself and run up the levels.

I've decided to do .05/.10 twice, just incase a good rush of variance was the reason for me climbing up to .10/.25 so fast. I started off with 130 on FT and got up to 500 with-in 38 days of casual play (maybe 10 hours a week). So I'm starting off with a similar figure on Tribeca and am going to get this up to 500 also before jumping to the next level.

It's funny the different attitude players take, if you want to be cautious then be cautious I suppose,personally I strain at the bit to move up levels.
I think the main thing besides any bankroll criteria is what does your gut tell you, if you think you are good enough then well you probably are.

peeko

well in that case I'll see you at the higher levels soon

Ste05

Peeko, I'd have thought those win rates are certainly sustainable at the micro levels, but I'd also say you're well ready for higher levels, move up to .25/.50 ASAP as the players there are just as bad as lower down, your winning game should translate well to this level, when you get to .50/1 and 1/2 you'll need a few tweeks to deal with the multitabling nits and I'd say your BB/100 will drop slightly, but your overall game will improve with experience at these slightly higher levels.

Why don't you play one table of .25/.50 instead of one of your usual tables once you are BR'ed for the level and ease into it that way, you'll soon see that the players aren't that much better and you'll get used to the bigger pot sizes.

Killme00

peeko wrote:

Over 12k hands at .05/.10 - .10/.25 6 Max I have a BB/100 of about 12.5.
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?What does BB/100 of 12.5 mean?

Thanks

luckylucky

Killme00 wrote:

peeko wrote:

Over 12k hands at .05/.10 - .10/.25 6 Max I have a BB/100 of about 12.5.
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?What does BB/100 of 12.5 mean?

Thanks

it means he has been making on average 12 big bets over 100 hands. Big bets in no limit terms equates to twice the big blind amount so at .10 .25
that would be .25x2x 12.5 = $6.25 for evry 100 hands he plays...

jeez just looking at that return for doing so well, peeko move up dude.

peeko

I'm being over catious amn't I? I was playing at .25/.50 9 max for a while and I was doing really well, then I started taking a couple of bad beats, started playing bad, and got a bit freaked. I hate loosing money.

so I just wanted to be careful and adhere to strict BR managment this time. Hence the huge drop down to .05/.10.

This is also the first time I've tackled 6 Max and I'm loving it so far. Being UTG on 9 Max is a different kettle of fish altogether than being UTG at 6 Max.

I'm going to stick it out at .05/.10 till I get my BR up to 500 on that tribeca site, then I'll move up back at full tilt. The swings on Tribeca are a lot more frequent than the ones on Full Tilt, so I don't want to risk my bank roll on that site.

I don't mind being patient as long as I'm winning. I keep a good detailed report on how I've been playing for the last 6-8 months. And since changing to 6 Max @ .05/.10 I've noticed a serious change in my profit at the end of each week. I don't want to rock the boat my jumping up too quick.

slowly slowly catchy monkey

thanks for all the replies

luckylucky

peeko wrote:

I'm being over catious amn't I? I was playing at .25/.50 9 max for a while and I was doing really well, then I started taking a couple of bad beats, started playing bad, and got a bit freaked. I hate loosing money.

Well certainly no harm moving down a level or two when u get freaked out and want to regain a bit of confidence. Obviously no one likes losing money but imo being too scared of losing money is almost as bad as not placing any worth on it, certianly if you are playing comfortably within your bankroll and you lose 1 buy-in the only thing that should really bother you is if you played the hand well or not, I never really mind if I lose the hand if I could not have realistically played it any different, I get really angry with myself if I have got stacked by playing a hand badly.

Start trying to view your cash as chips instead of worrying too much about how much money it is, otherwise you can forget about playing hi stakes if the thought of losing several hundered or even thousand would have you in a cold sweat.

Anyway I would suggest you loosen up a little just like others would suggest to me to be more conservative, have a feeling neither is going to happen though

peeko

Well tbh it did get to the point where loosing a full buy in at .25/.50 hurt me to the point where I started making mistakes! And that pi55ed me off even more, I'm the same as yourself I don't get too bothered if I played the hand correctly, but when I make a mistake, like giving a card for free and letting someone complete there straight, then I go ape at myself.

At the moment I've no problems loosing $10-$20 (2 buy ins), because I'm playing with in my bank roll limits of 20*Buy in.

But if I lost $50-$100 at .25/.50 it probably would bother me a lot, unless I had 2k in my account, which at the moment I don't!

As soon as I hit $500 I'll bounce up to .10/.25. If I continue to play at the same level I should be at .25/.50 with 1k with in about 3 months. This I can handle.

Had I started playing 6 Max at .25/.50 I might have never been here writing this post and be up at 1/2 already. But I didn't so here I am! And I'm going to get there properly this time.

I hope I'll be in the well in a year!

luckylucky

cool, wish you all the best